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"Steppe" Grey Shrike to be lumped

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Old Thursday 10th January 2019, 07:14   #26
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I'll also venture one more; Ish Crossbill Loxia pinangelus.
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Old Thursday 10th January 2019, 14:20   #27
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No - you have to go a lot further east to get into Northern Shrike country, Mongolia or further. Kazakh grey shrikes are in the western clade


Edit: looks like L. borealis just gets into the far east of Kazakhstan, a disjunct outlier in the map in Olsson et al. 2010
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Taxon mollis likely breeds in high altitude forest edges from easternmost Kazakhstan west to Kyrgyzstan along Chinese border: Ayé et al 2012.

Tajkova & Red'kin 2014 document 20th century L. borealis & sibiricus specimens and observations as winterers and outward migrants in Ukraine at around 35°.

Taxon funereus occasional or very rare resident breeder SE Kazakhstan (Dzhungarian Mts), taxon mollis 2-record vagrant E Kazakhstan and taxon sibiricus 3-record vagrant: Wassink 2015, and funereus possibly still a winter visitor easternmost Kyrgyzstan.
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Ayé, R, M Schweizer and T Roth. 2012. The Birds of Central Asia. Helm. London. UK.


Tajkova, SU and AA Red'kin. 2014. The Northern Shrike Lanius borealis sibiricus Bogdanov, 1881 (Aves: Laniidae) in Ukraine: a taxonomic assessment. J. Nat. Mus. (Prague) Nat. Hist. Series 183(8): 89-107.

Wassink, A. 2015. The new Birds of Kazakhstan. De Cocksdorp. Texel, Nederland.
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Old Thursday 10th January 2019, 17:04   #28
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That's now on my list, placed somewhere after Maybe Gull Larus properobscurus, thanks Ken!
I would have thought Maybe Gull would be in Chroicosoridiculus rather than in Larus.
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Old Friday 11th January 2019, 17:46   #30
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Just a few days after we looked for those in Israel!

Next time there is an impeding lump, I am gonna let the bird solve itself :) Even though truth to be told, I thought this about Redpolls and they are still kicking.
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I would have thought Maybe Gull would be in Chroicosoridiculus rather than in Larus.
Bevans cites the Dutch Gedoogbeleid Taxonomy Committee;

'Recent genetic research clearly demonstrates there has been a rapid radiation from the bipolar regions. Maybe Gull is in a basal position within a clade containing Mightbe, Perhaps, and Sortof Gulls. The status of Almost Gull remains unresolved'
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The Goo Gull seems to have been missed by the taxonomic authorities
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Old Saturday 12th January 2019, 12:10   #33
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Not for want of searching.
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Old Saturday 12th January 2019, 15:38   #34
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Bevans cites the Dutch Gedoogbeleid Taxonomy Committee;

'Recent genetic research clearly demonstrates there has been a rapid radiation from the bipolar regions. Maybe Gull is in a basal position within a clade containing Mightbe, Perhaps, and Sortof Gulls. The status of Almost Gull remains unresolved'
Lol. I always thought that when Blackish Antbird got split, they should have named the split Blackishish Antbird
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