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Water bird numbers down 70% in the Murray-Darling Basin over ~30 years

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Old Saturday 29th July 2017, 21:47   #26
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Hi Chosun,

I don't mean to be pessimistic, but this reminds me of what the author of Dune said:
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Tell me he's wrong, .... please!

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Old Sunday 30th July 2017, 17:43   #27
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Hi Chosun,

I don't mean to be pessimistic, but this reminds me of what the author of Dune said:
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"... Governments, if they endure, always tend increasingly toward aristocratic forms. No government in history has been known to evade this pattern. And as the aristocracy develops, government tends more and more to act exclusively in the interests of the ruling class -- whether that class be hereditary royalty, oligarchs of financial empires, or entrenched bureaucracy."

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That's an apt quote, from quite the author. Humans run the spectrum from those that will give everything they have, to those that will take everything they want. The outcome of the eternal tussle between light and dark rests on the heart of man. Hopefully we're tipping the balance - one expanded spark of light at a time. Even though the 'dawning of the age of aquarius' seems to be taking its own good time ..... I remain optimistic!

There is genuine will by the Australian people to save the environment and some $13 Billion has been invested/earmarked for the Murray-Darling Basin Plan. People had trusted that it was sorted, but it seems there is quite some way to go ..... Fixing up the environmental water share will be just the start, then somewhat of a quantum leap in awareness will be required to repair the erosion and wetland damage using Natural Sequence Farming techniques etc.

I choose to believe that any governance and systems design shortcomings are more the result of misguided populism and lack of expertise and competence by our politicians (as well as factional power plays and horse trading), rather than any sinister influence of dark overlords. Certain individual and corporate piggies at the trough have definitely succumbed to greedy opportunism in the dark shadows. We need to get rid of the water trading as an acceptable primary business model .... it seems that Billions $ may have already been wasted on such unproductive and environmentally degrading practices.

Thank goodness for credible environmental scientists like Professor Richard Kingsford, but it's not just the environmentalists ringing the alarm bells over the shortcomings of the plan (even if the illegalities and compliance issues were fixed). It seems that even the economists are on board, and when that unholy trinity comes to light it's time to sit up and take notice!

Water being subject to gravity, One of the gross failures of logic that is now being more widely understood, is that gains from irrigation and water use efficiences, result in corresponding losses by reduced return (leakage) back to the environment. This useless loop coming at great financial cost to the taxpayer!

Here is a quote from one of the plethora of who's who water economists that brought quite the smile to my face:
''The government's claim that it is creating 'new' water is spurious in the extreme. When water is purportedly 'lost' in the irrigation district, it does not go to Mars. It is not lost at all, it has just gone somewhere else.''
http://www.stockandland.com.au/story...-plan-savaged/

The deputy Prime Minister has also been caught out shooting himself in the foot ....... (after a few beers! :)
http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/4...r-report/?cs=7

Hopefully this whole issue will now receive proper scrutiny and the environment / irrigation allocation balance be reset more in line with the sustainable environmental health purpose and intent of the Plan .... and sooner than the currently programmed 5 year on-ground review time frame. That would be highly satisfyingly ironic


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Old Wednesday 2nd August 2017, 14:30   #28
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Exclamation More crooked than a boomerang, a bigger stink than a pile of rotting European Carp ..

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That's today's front page headline in mainstream daily newspaper - The Daily Telegraph. Political party donaters benefitting from retroactive decisions, attempted retroactive changes to regulations, inter-governmental department loggerheads, resignations, a Federal Inquiry announced, and still the calls for a Judicial Inquiry by other State Premiers ring loud .....

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...08e607f277e9c7

http://www.news.com.au/national/brea...8afc89743a390e



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Old Wednesday 9th August 2017, 16:12   #29
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Well, it's taken a week, but the mainstream newspaper 'The Daily Telegraph' (left, or our Australian Labour Party leaning - mostly! , it has become much more Conservative/Liberal these days after the last economic disaster of the previous Rudd/Gillard/Rudd Labour Government ) is finally running with this story and now claiming that it broke it as well!
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...b1d1e58a4e1f1f

Plenty to dig up here folks, we will just have to see what sort of enquiry we get .......

Rather than fix the problem, politicians are mooting a half $Billion pipeline to provide water for Broken Hill ! ...... ever get the feeling that 'mining' the taxpayer has become THE new Core Global Mining Business ?? ??

[EDIT]: . Oops! It seems that link runs into a subscriber pay wall - try a Google search "Water, water, everywhere The Daily Telegraph" , that's how I initially accessed the report I saw in Wednesdays newspaper.



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Some chickens coming home to roost hopefully.... http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-0...56?pfmredir=sm
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Old Wednesday 13th September 2017, 13:42   #31
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Some chickens coming home to roost hopefully.... http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-0...56?pfmredir=sm
Thanks for that update

Several good things to come out of the Matthews report:
* The standing down of Hanlon
* The 'no meter - no pump' recommendation
* The 'publicly transparent licensing conditions and records' recommendation.

I am less keen on a further layer of buearacracy though - surely the whole kit and kaboodle should be administered by the Federal Environment Department, and the Murray Darling Basin Plan should be reset within sustainable environmental limits.

I think the Kingsford report shows that we are way over allocated even if everyone was playing by the rules.

We need a reality check and to realize that 'lost water does not go to Mars' and therefore no 'new water' can be created by increasing irrigation efficiencies (even though that should be pursued).

This is one of the largest and most beautiful river systems in the world - on one of the oldest, driest continents on earth - a paradise.

The good faith of the Australian (and world) population has been betrayed, and I would agree that nothing less than a Royal Commission with broad ranging, open terms along the lines that I have detailed above is satisfactory.

This is the time for a complete holistic reset - not just tinkering at the edges, or thinking that regulatory reform is the endgame ......



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Old Tuesday 24th October 2017, 13:17   #32
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Organised Crime Squad raids http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-1...n-farm/9080280

and,
"Renewed call for royal commission into Murray-Darling Basin after Queensland cotton farm raided during water fraud investigation"
http://www.news.com.au/national/sout...ed6a9cbe744b26

A Royal Commission AND Governance redesign to best practice is required ....... "It was the equivalent of handing the chicken coop to the fox." -- Jay Weatherill, Premier of South Australia.



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Old Sunday 29th October 2017, 01:10   #33
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Interesting times!

Federal Water Minister and Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce at the Centre of this whole Murray-Darling storm has been ruled ineligible to hold office in Parliament on account of being a citizen of another country (despite being born in Australia - crazy times! :) . He is now running in an upcoming By-election after fixing his citizenship issue to the satisfaction of the Constitution. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...08d3f784406834

The Water portfolio will temporarily be taken over by Prime Minister Malcom Turnbull - whose Liberal party has just lost its clear majority in Parliament.

Senator Nick Xenophon who is pushing for a Royal Commission into the Murray-Darling and water scandals was also under a citizenship and eligibility cloud, but has been cleared by the High Court. Ironically, he had already announced his resignation from Federal politics to run for Office in the South Australian State Legislature.

Where does all of this leave the original Murray-Darling and water corruption allegations? ....... who knows! Stay tuned - hopefully the Federal Opposition will take up the issue even if only as a political football, though they have been pretty quiet since the story broke .....



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Old Tuesday 8th January 2019, 14:24   #34
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Exclamation ~ 1 Million fish killed !!!!!

Jeez, a lot of water has passed under the bridge since I last posted on this thread ! There have been wholesale politician clearouts, and even the knifing of the then Prime Minister. I haven't had the time to keep up with the various Inquiry and Royal Commission calls, and what has actually taken place and the outcomes.

I think there were some minor prosecutions, but questions over the balance and viability of the Murray-Darling Basin plan are still in question.

Recently we had a fairly brutal heat wave pass through the country at the tail end of a long drought. Over the last few weeks, and again over the last two days has come news of a devastating fish kill on the Darling river over a 40km odd stretch. Estimates of a Million or so fish killed ...... from 1cm long fingerlings to 1.3m long 'centurion' Murray Cod, through countless endangered adult breeding size Silver Perch .......
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...628930603&_rdr
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/program...basin/10697608

This is a long way from the living river paradise it should be - time to wake right up ! So maddeningly sad ........



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Old Wednesday 9th January 2019, 13:18   #35
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The finger pointing continues .....

However, the fact remains that when you have century-odd old Murray Cod floating belly up then something is wrong. This isn't the first rodeo they would have been to. They would have seen all manner of droughts, heatwaves, cold snaps, and floods before ....

The one thing that is new however is the greedy take of the natural system's water by humans.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/techa...Dbm?li=AAwmrQf

My take on it is that the destruction of the soil sponge and proper hydrological functioning of the land (constant steady release by the soil of water back to the core wetlands and creeks/rivers), and artificial fertilizer loads, also plays a large part .......




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Old Friday 11th January 2019, 07:41   #36
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The big danger with all the political faffing around, buck passing, corruption cover ups, water over allocation and extraction by industry, and general mismanagement, was that the river system would not have the usual resilience and ability to cope with the harsher periods of the natural climate cycles.

Well, now a real actual on-ground disaster has occurred, which has revealed that all the shuffling of deck chairs hasn't prevented the Titanic from crashing, and revealed that the emperor has been wearing no clothes all along.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...composer=false

This whole thing stinks to high heaven .........



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Thanks for this Chosun, just another sad part of Australia's lamentable environmental record where big business wins every time, blind Freddy can see you need more water in the river system but no-one will sort it out.
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Exclamation A week of 45C+ temperatures and further fish kills predicted

A week of 45C+ temperatures and further fish kills predicted, claims of mismanagement and corruption, despair, and calls for a an independent scientific investigation, and a Royal Commission

The weather forecast looks grim with another heatwave expected this week, record temperatures possible, ~1000 tons of rotting fish sitting in the river, plagued with blue-green algae, no flows, more fish kills predicted, finger pointing and buck passing rife, political spin, and deck chair shuffling, calls for an independent scientific enquiry, and even calls for a Royal Commission ........ meanwhile a river system dies
https://amp.smh.com.au/national/nsw-...13-p50r4v.html
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.abc.n...ticle/10712662

Murray-Darling Basin: SA launches royal commission into alleged water theft (Nov 2017, established 23rd Jan 2018 - final report due 1st Feb 2019):
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.abc.n...rticle/9194368
https://www.mdbrc.sa.gov.au/
Submission-SA-Murray-Darling-Basin-Royal-Commission-Sept-18.pdf

Greens Senator again calls for a Federal Royal Commission
https://www.abc.net.au/radionational...rling/10707432




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