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Old Monday 13th January 2020, 11:14   #126
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Not that our votes here matter but I have no problem with African Crested Tern or West African Crested Tern or West African Tern. They either tell you what group it is in or where it is found and sort of "instantly place it," for me at least. White-backed Tern would lose the relation to both where it is found or what group of Terns it is in and would far less meaningful - to me at least.
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Old Monday 13th January 2020, 17:46   #127
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I'm not necessarily a fan of forcing vernacular names to follow phylogeny. West African Crested Tern is cumbersome and a little clinical. African Royal Tern would be my preference, for the little that it's worth.
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Old Thursday 13th February 2020, 17:51   #128
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Piotr Minias & Tomasz Janiszewski. Evolution of a conspicuous melanin‐based ornament in gulls Laridae. Journal of Evolutionary Biology. First published:12 February 2020 https://doi.org/10.1111/jeb.13604

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Melanin‐ and carotenoid‐based ornaments often signal different aspects of individual quality or similar components of quality under different environmental conditions and, thus, they may become evolutionarily integrated into a composite sexual trait. On the other hand, functionally and developmentally different characters (e.g. coloration characters of different developmental origin) are more likely to evolve independently from each other than more similar traits. Here, we examined evolutionary correlations between the occurrence of a conspicuous melanin‐based ornament (hood) and carotenoid‐based bare‐part ornaments within gull family. We also aimed to identify major ecological, life‐history, and biogeographical predictors of hood occurrence and reconstruct evolutionary history of this ornament. We found that hood occurrence was associated with red or dark coloration of unfeathered traits (bill and legs), while combinations of hood with yellow carotenoid‐based coloration of integument were evolutionarily avoided. Also, hood occurrence correlated negatively with the occurrence of other melanin‐based plumage character (mantle). Breeding latitude and habitat were identified as major predictors of hood occurrence in gulls, as hoods were recorded more frequently in low‐latitude and inland (rather than marine) species. Finally, our analysis provided support for evolutionary lability in hood occurrence, with a dominance of transitions towards hood loss in the evolutionary history of gulls. The results of our study provide one of the first evidence for a correlated evolution of melanin‐ and carotenoid‐based ornaments in an avian lineage, which supports evolutionary modularity of developmentally and functionally different coloration traits.
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Old Monday 22nd June 2020, 18:10   #129
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Gygis

H. Douglas Pratt. Species limits and English names in the genus Gygis (Laridae). Bulletin of the British Ornithologists’ Club, 140(2):195-208 (2020). https://doi.org/10.25226/bboc.v140i2.2020.a10

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The alpha taxonomy of the genus Gygis is controversial, with limited molecular studies contradicting distributional and phenotypic evidence that two Pacific forms, larger candida and smaller microrhyncha are separate species. This paper reviews evidence from the subfossil record, morphology, distribution and hybridisation, and vocalisations to conclude that Gygis comprises three biological species, nominate alba in the Atlantic, and two Pacific species. It also reviews historical English vernacular names and proposes ‘fairytern’ as a group name for these members of the newly recognised subfamily Gyginae. This name maintains popular tradition but requires a minor exception to some current naming conventions. Proposed English names are Atlantic Fairytern, Common Fairytern, and Little Fairytern. The name White Tern should now apply only to the historical single species, and Fairy Tern remains for Sternula nereis.

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To have three species of something Fairytern and one Fairy Tern sounds like trouble.

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Old Monday 22nd June 2020, 19:49   #131
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Fairytern is awful, why not adopt the name Gygis as vernacular name ?
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Old Monday 22nd June 2020, 20:44   #132
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To have three species of something Fairytern and one Fairy Tern sounds like trouble.

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True that! Can't understand what's wrong with Common, Atlantic and Little White Tern. Apart from that, really interesting study. The Little White really is different!
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Fairytern vs Fairy Tern is a horrible idea.

IIRC, Pratt mentioned on facebook they also have a paper coming out at some point on noddies, suggesting that the Hawaiian Noddy be split from the Black Noddy.
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Fairytern vs Fairy Tern is a horrible idea.

IIRC, Pratt mentioned on facebook they also have a paper coming out at some point on noddies, suggesting that the Hawaiian Noddy be split from the Black Noddy.
Do you have the link plz?
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It was a post on changing bird names that was on the Hawaiian Birding facebook group.
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Agree on Fairytern / Fairy Tern being a nightmare


IOC have been suggesting a change to White Noddy for Gygis for some time, perhaps that could be followed up?
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Agree on Fairytern / Fairy Tern being a nightmare


IOC have been suggesting a change to White Noddy for Gygis for some time, perhaps that could be followed up?
3x something White-Noddy to separate the group from the dark noddies

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Old Tuesday 23rd June 2020, 07:41   #138
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Fairytern vs Fairy Tern is a horrible idea.

IIRC, Pratt mentioned on facebook they also have a paper coming out at some point on noddies, suggesting that the Hawaiian Noddy be split from the Black Noddy.
All of these Noddy potential splits (and plenty more) already highlighted in this excellent book:

https://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=387644
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3x something White-Noddy to separate the group from the dark noddies

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White Noddy, Atlantic Noddy, and Little Noddy? Or Common White Noddy, Atlantic White Noddy, Little White Noddy? No need for hyphens!
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White Noddy, Atlantic Noddy, and Little Noddy? Or Common White Noddy, Atlantic White Noddy, Little White Noddy? No need for hyphens!
They are not noddies though...separate subfamily
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What about Fairy Noddy?
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Why not Fairie? Or it is too similar to the purple-crowned fairy Heliothryx barroti?
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White Noddy, Atlantic Noddy, and Little Noddy? Or Common White Noddy, Atlantic White Noddy, Little White Noddy? No need for hyphens!
These would be the White, Atlantic, and Little Manu-o-Ku, based on priority of the earliest known common name for these taxa. So there is a need for two hyphens apiece. But it solves all possible common name problems whatsoever, including confusion with the noddies, Fairy Tern, and Common Tern.

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A Polynesian name I presume? What's the etymology?
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Much better than the vague and confusing Tern or Noddy
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A Polynesian name I presume? What's the etymology?
Two suggested meanings, bird of Ku the god of war of the polynesians. Or bird of fog, mist, clouds.
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Call them Angel Terns. To me Fairy (or Faerie even) fits them perfectly.....White Tern is just so.....boring!!
As for the Fairy Tern now....it's Australsian Little Tern on my list coz that's basically what it is
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As for the Fairy Tern now....it's Australsian Little Tern on my list coz that's basically what it is
That's the translation of the official Swedish name, i.e. Australian Little Tern, solves the problem, so fairy can be used for the Gygis species.
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It’s always been a mystery why the white birds aren’t called Ternlets like the grey ones. Maybe now is the time.
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