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Old Monday 1st April 2019, 00:30   #76
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he British Columbia committee ruled the same as Washington State, identification
of species is correct, but the origin as uncertain.
http://ibis.geog.ubc.ca/biodiversity...icle-RT-DC.pdf .
The Pink-footed Goose record was eventually accepted by the British Columbia committee, it seems:

https://bcfo.ca/brc-rounds-23-24part...-to-june-2018/
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The Pink-footed Goose record was eventually accepted
Thank you.
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Add Thick-billed Warbler Arundinax aedon to the Main List.
In Pyle 2018 and Gibson 2018.
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Pittie and Dickinson (2013) concluded that Arundinax has priority.
A 2016 article by Pittie casts doubt on this, maybe?
Jerdon’s Illustrations is remarkable, if not unique, for
combining subscription, offering it through a bookseller, printing
two versions, reprinting some parts, using different printers and
plate sources, and offering plate variants.
Libraries, and bibliophiles, re-bound separate parts primarily
because that was the norm, plus a bound volume also secured
the parts. At this stage the binders invariably discarded original
wrappers along with whatever was printed on them—occasionally
leading to erroneous bibliographic interpretations (Pittie 2009;
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A bibliographic assessment of T. C. Jerdon's Illustrations of Indian ornithology
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The concept of American exceptionalism does not include spelling things correctly. The main list of AOS spells it correctly. Pink-legged Goose was added to the AOU check-list in 1910 from accidental records from Greenland. I never knew the AOS had a US check-list. Why? Pyle 2018 is here:
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The USFWS asks that we maintain a separate US only list.

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"...United States Fish and Wildlife Service asks that we maintain a separate US only list."
Thank you Andy. I did not know. My inner Alan Wormington, (deceased Canadian ornithologist who often took umbrage at USA-centric ABA on its blog) started quivering.
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A 2016 article by Pittie casts doubt on this, maybe?
No. Arundinax was not in Jerdon's Illustrations but Madras Journal.
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Proposals 2019-E: Establish English names for species split, lumped, or reassigned in 2019

2019-E-1a: Adopt Velvet Scoter for Melanitta fusca
2019-E-1b: Keep the name White-winged Scoter but transfer it from M. fusca to M. deglandi
2019-E-1c-1: Adopt Stejneger's Scoter for M. stejnegeri OR
2019-E-1c-2: Adopt Siberian Scoter for M. stejnegeri
2019-E-2a: Adopt Blue-vented Hummingbird for Amazilia hoffmanni
2019-E-2b: Retain Steely-vented Hummingbird for the extralimital species A. saucerottei
2019-E-3a: Adopt Choco Screech-Owl for Megascops centralis
2019-E-3b: Adopt Foothill Screech-Owl for the extralimital M. roraimae
2019-E-3c-1: Retain Vermiculated Screech-Owl for M. guatemalae OR
2019-E-3c-2: Adopt a new name for M. guatemalae, e.g., Middle American Screech-Owl
2019-E-4a: Retain Collared Trogon as the English name for Trogon collaris sensu lato
2019-E-4b: Change the English group name of T. puella from Bar-tailed Trogon
2019-E-5a: Adopt Socorro Parakeet for Psittacara brevipes
2019-E-5b: Retain Green Parakeet for P. holochlorus
2019-E-6a: Adopt Yucatan Gnatcatcher for Polioptila albiventris
2019-E-6b: Retain White-lored Gnatcatcher for P. albiloris
2019-E-7a: Adopt Amazonian Grosbeak for Cyanoloxia rothschildii
2019-E-7b: Retain Blue-black Grosbeak for C. cyanoides
2019-E-8: Change Yellow-thighed Finch and Yellow-green Finch to Yellow-thighed Brushfinch and Yellow-green Brushfinch
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The ABA blog posts the "results" of the 60th Supplement. However, note that the link they provide currently directs to last year's 59th, and I haven't seen anything "officially" from the AOS website.

See the blog here: http://blog.aba.org/2019/06/aos2019.html
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The ABA blog posts the "results" of the 60th Supplement. However, note that the link they provide currently directs to last year's 59th, and I haven't seen anything "officially" from the AOS website.

See the blog here: http://blog.aba.org/2019/06/aos2019.html
Here's the correct link:
https://academic.oup.com/auk/advance...ukz042/5522257

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R Terry Chesser, Kevin J Burns, Carla Cicero, Jon L Dunn, Andrew W Kratter, Irby J Lovette, Pamela C Rasmussen, J V Remsen, Douglas F Stotz, Kevin Winker, Sixtieth Supplement to the American Ornithological Society’s Check-list of North American Birds, The Auk: Ornithological Advances, , ukz042, https://doi.org/10.1093/auk/ukz042

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It seems a bit odd to me that Melanitta fusca (Velvet Scoter) appears as an entry in the 60th Supplement even though it hasn't been recorded in North America. Or if it has, I don't see any mention of it in the supplement. Maybe I'm missing something?
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It seems a bit odd to me that Melanitta fusca (Velvet Scoter) appears as an entry in the 60th Supplement even though it hasn't been recorded in North America. Or if it has, I don't see any mention of it in the supplement. Maybe I'm missing something?
It's been recorded in Greenland, which is part of the AOS region.
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It's been recorded in Greenland, which is part of the AOS region.
And given the number of North American scoter (of all 3 species) reaching NW Europe, the reverse could easily be happening too: birders in Nova Scotia, Labrador, etc., should definitely have Velvet Scoter on their radar, I'd think it won't be long till they find some
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It's been recorded in Greenland, which is part of the AOS region.
Yes, I see it's been recorded in Greenland. But as it says on the NACC checklist site, "Greenland is not included in the coverage of the Seventh Edition of the Check-list, although it was included in earlier editions and will be in the next edition."
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Yes, I see it's been recorded in Greenland. But as it says on the NACC checklist site, "Greenland is not included in the coverage of the Seventh Edition of the Check-list, although it was included in earlier editions and will be in the next edition."
That needs updating. Greenland has been included in the AOS geographical area since the 58th supplement in 2017.
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That needs updating. Greenland has been included in the AOS geographical area since the 58th supplement in 2017.
Aha. That's what I was missing. Thanks.
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McC***'s Longspur

https://americanornithology.org/stat...-naming-issue/

The AOU-NACC has issued a "Statement on the McCown's Longspur Naming Issue"

Of note: "In response to recent events and in consideration of the updated guidelines, the Committee is currently preparing a new, more complete proposal to change the name of McCown’s Longspur, one framed against the backdrop of current events."
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Seems to me that they already made good case for not changing it?

Why is the species name asterisked out in the subject line?
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Why change it, what's wrong with this name?
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Additional considerations included the lack of recognition in the proposal of McCown’s substantial contributions to ornithology; the fact that the bird name predated the Civil War and was unrelated to his role in the Confederacy; the lack of evidence personally associating McCown with slaveholding, including his upbringing in a region of Tennessee generally opposed to slavery; and McCown’s strong anti-Confederacy comments during the war.
The above would be enough to make me still vote against a change.

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Besides the name honouring a slave trader (is it really so difficult to understand that this is deeply offensive to many? You wouldn't object to a name change if it was Hitler's or Mussolini's Longspur, would you?) I will ALWAYS favour non-honorific bird names. Even though I have already seen both Scopoli's and Cory's Shearwater I still can't tell you which is the (more) Mediterranean and which is the (more) Atlantic species, simply because their names tell me absolutely nothing about the birds themselves.
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I want to point that Amerigo Vespucci was a slave owner and expeditions which he joined conducted slave raids. United States of America and the continent of America are named after him. As are many birds with the name 'American'.: American Kestrel, American Coot etc. etc.

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Besides the name honouring a slave trader (is it really so difficult to understand that this is deeply offensive to many? You wouldn't object to a name change if it was Hitler's or Mussolini's Longspur, would you?) I will ALWAYS favour non-honorific bird names. Even though I have already seen both Scopoli's and Cory's Shearwater I still can't tell you which is the (more) Mediterranean and which is the (more) Atlantic species, simply because their names tell me absolutely nothing about the birds themselves.
Where has it been written that McCown was a "slave trader?" In the rather wide reading of his history by the NACC, he never owned slaves (let alone "traded"), he lived in a part of Tennessee that was against secession, and although he served as an officer in the CSA army, he disparaged the Confederacy and its leadership. To equate McCown with Hitler or Mussolini is about as far a stretch of hyperbole that I can imagine.

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Besides the name honouring a slave trader (is it really so difficult to understand that this is deeply offensive to many? You wouldn't object to a name change if it was Hitler's or Mussolini's Longspur, would you?) I will ALWAYS favour non-honorific bird names. Even though I have already seen both Scopoli's and Cory's Shearwater I still can't tell you which is the (more) Mediterranean and which is the (more) Atlantic species, simply because their names tell me absolutely nothing about the birds themselves.
Naming taxa after people is inherently problematic for one reason or another and there will always be some justification for changing them. Your shearwater examples provide some anecdotes I cannot resist. Charles Cory authored some works which might be considered very out of fashion in today's times - notably "Story of a Bad Indian" and others in his book, Montezuma's Castle.

Giovanni Scopoli on the other hand, is one name I can believe is appropriate. In addition to the bird, the plant Scopolia is named after him. From that plant is derived Scopolamine, the motion sickness drug which has perhaps allowed some birders to observe his namesake shearwater in relative comfort.
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Besides the name honouring a slave trader (is it really so difficult to understand that this is deeply offensive to many? You wouldn't object to a name change if it was Hitler's or Mussolini's Longspur, would you?) I will ALWAYS favour non-honorific bird names. Even though I have already seen both Scopoli's and Cory's Shearwater I still can't tell you which is the (more) Mediterranean and which is the (more) Atlantic species, simply because their names tell me absolutely nothing about the birds themselves.
If you bother to read the disucssion at the link which is quoted above your message by Niels, there is no proven link to slave holding let alone trading.

The extract quoted by Niels, supports not changing the name in my view although the trend for honorific naming is now considered passé and a little vulgar I believe, regardless of who a species is named after.

Again I ask, why was 'McCown', partially hidden behind asterisks in the subject line?
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Again I ask, why was 'McCown', partially hidden behind asterisks in the subject line?
Because I was being cute.
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