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Old Tuesday 5th April 2011, 17:48   #1
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Joe Hobbs' useful lists of references are now also available on the Dutch Birding website, with further lists in preparation.
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Another handy ref list from Joe Hobbs (plus earlier lists updated)...
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'Margelanic' Lesser Whitethroat

Perusing Joe Hobbs' Sylvia ref list made me wonder again about the curious vernacular name 'Margelanic Lesser Whitethroat' used by Shirihai at al 2001 (obviously derived from the scientific name, S [curruca] margelanica), and subsequently abbreviated to 'Margelanic Whitethroat' by Clements, and IOC (proposed splits).

It brings to mind the widely-used 'Magellanic', but it's uncommon in English to use an adjectival '-ic' suffix with a city name. [When discussing the use of geographical nouns versus adjectives in English names for birds, Gill & Wright 2006 notes that an in-depth review of existing names revealed that cities have always been spelled as nouns.]

And Margilan (Fergana Province, Uzbekistan), the type locality, isn't even within the breeding range of margelanica anyway, according to Shirihai et al 2001 and Aym & Gargallo 2006 (HBW 11) - although of course there are many other examples of species named after locations outside their breeding range.
http://ibc.lynxeds.com/species/small...-sylvia-minula

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Perusing Joe Hobbs' Sylvia ref list made me wonder again about the curious vernacular name 'Margelanic Lesser Whitethroat' used by Shirihai at al 2001 (obviously derived from the scientific name, S [curruca] margelanica), and subsequently abbreviated to 'Margelanic Whitethroat' by Clements, and IOC (proposed splits).

It brings to mind the widely-used 'Magellanic', but it's uncommon in English to use an adjectival '-ic' suffix with a city name. [When discussing the use of geographical nouns versus adjectives in English names for birds, Gill & Wright 2006 notes that an in-depth review of existing names revealed that cities have always been spelled as nouns.]

And Margilan (Fergana Province, Uzbekistan), the type locality, isn't even within the breeding range of margelanica anyway, according to Shirihai et al 2001 and Aym & Gargallo 2006 (HBW 11) - although of course there are many other examples of species named after locations outside their breeding range.
http://ibc.lynxeds.com/species/small...-sylvia-minula
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Has anything formal yet been published for the erection of this taxon to species level?
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Has anything formal yet been published for the erection of this taxon to species level?
Mike, I'm not aware of anything peer-reviewed - just Shirihai et al 2001 (which treats curruca, margelanica, minula and althaea as allospecies).
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Mike, I'm not aware of anything peer-reviewed - just Shirihai et al 2001 (which treats curruca, margelanica, minula and althaea as allospecies).
Richard,
Thanks for the quick reply. I would think that most of Hadoram's conclusions in similar cases would be robust, but it would be nice if he could take time out to catch up with the backlog!
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Keep 'em coming, Joe.
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[But doesn't (yet) reflect the broader Locustella proposed by Alstrm et al 2011.]

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...the curious vernacular name 'Margelanic Lesser Whitethroat.

Richard you are not saying the scientific name is wrong only the vernacular common name?

In Oiseaux de la Ferghana by Stolzmann, the original description in an article starting on,
Page 54:
http://books.google.com/books?id=XDA...gbs_navlinks_s .

He spells the city’s name Marguelane. Not sure that makes a difference from Margilan. Stolzmann does say that the two skins from Margilan, one in May and one in April , “It is possible that these two birds belong to an unknown form, which migrated to the Ferghana accidentally (from) some unexplored country”.

The city name comes from a time when Alexander the Great went through this area and was the local term for Bread & Chicken.

Grammatically, there are two kinds of commemorative epithets, substantival and adjectival.
An adjectival commemorative epithet is a noun converted to an adjective by the addition of a suffix, which is inflected in accordance with the gender of the generic name but is not affected by the sex or number of the person(s) being commemorated.
ii) "-icus" or "-ica" is a Latin suffix denoting belonging to or pertaining to; e.g., Rana sylvatica is a frog pertaining to the forest (sylva = Latin for forest), or "wood frog".

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-icus .

A species-series nomen must be ‘‘a word of two or more letters, or a compound word’’, and be, or be treated as, either an adjective or a participle in the nominative singular agreeing in grammatical gender with the generic nomen, a noun in the nominative singular standing in apposition to the generic nomen, or a noun or an adjective in the genitive case (Art. 11.9).

In Latham’s Index Ornithologicus, Sive Systema Ornithologiae he has the Megellanic Penguin “habitat terra Megellanica Statuum”, this is Latin for Magellan Straights. And Forster called it Aptenodytes megellanica. So it not named for Magellan but for the geographical area the Straights of Magellan. There was an Old Margilan and a New Margilan in Stolczmann’s time so he may of used –ica for pertaining to the Margilan area? AS for the englishizing of Latin to megellanic or Margilanic who knows.??
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...the curious vernacular name 'Margelanic Lesser Whitethroat.
Richard you are not saying the scientific name is wrong only the vernacular common name?
That's right, Mark. I was only referring to the vernacular name.

I just think that the English name should be simply 'Margilan (Lesser) Whitethroat' - as in Sylvia undata Dartford (not Dartfordic) Warbler.

A quick Google suggests that the word 'Margelanic' is completely unknown/unused in English except in the context of the whitethroat (but I'll probably be proved wrong ), and is probably meaningless to most birders.

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A quick Google suggests that the word 'Margelanic' is completely unknown/unused in English except in the context of the whitethroat and is probably meaningless to most birders.
Richard,
If, perish the thought, we were to expound the theme of what is 'meaningless to most birders', it might need more than just a thread of its own!
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PS I agree with your conclusions - the invention of such words often derives from a lack of knowledge of the English language, something that is sadly fairly common amongst people whose first language is English...
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List of Acrocephalus with References v1.1 posted 7 May 2011:
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List of Shearwaters with References v1.0 posted 11 May 2011 (and other lists updated):
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List of Storm-petrels with References. v1.0 (1 Sep 2011).

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Thanks Richard

The guide to phylloscs is particularly interesting, not least because it shows that the NW Sichuan and Qinghai "Dusky Warbler" (ssp weigoldi) has been transferred to a ssp of Smoky Warbler Phylloscopus fuligiventer.

That being the case, it would be an armchair tick.

Cheers for that.

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The guide to phylloscs is particularly interesting, not least because it shows that the NW Sichuan and Qinghai "Dusky Warbler" (ssp weigoldi) has been transferred to a ssp of Smoky Warbler Phylloscopus fuligiventer.

That being the case, it would be an armchair tick.
Theoretically an armchair tick for me too, having seen weigoldi in SE Qinghai. IOC, Zoonomen and Cornell (Clements) have followed Martens et al 2008 [pdf here], but see Jesper's cautious response, copied to this earlier thread: www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=132650.

PS. Congrats on a very successful May Day holiday trip to Jiangxi - victory snatched from the jaws of defeat, certainly worthy of a celebratory . A compelling account!
[www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=161061 - posts #395+]

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Thanks Richard

The Jiangxi trip indeed worked out well - eventually.

Thanks also for the PDF and the link.

A heavy paper indeed.

But, it seems, somewhat light were it matters.

Suspect that the "Weigold's" Warbler debate is just getting started.


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