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Old Wednesday 28th October 2015, 14:12   #1
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2016 - World Yearlist Record Attempt

It seems that, like buses, attempts on the world record for the best annual list comes in twos or threes. For those addicted to following Noah's achievements here's something to look forward to next year -http://www.arjandwarshuis.com/#biggestyear
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The comparisons will be fascinating - "As Noah Strycker is doing extremely well on his world Big Year and surely will set an incredible, very hard to beat record, I had to step up my game…. And so I did…"

http://www.arjandwarshuis.com/the-bi...to-take-shape/

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Old Wednesday 28th October 2015, 14:47   #3
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One to follow for sure! He's taking a somewhat different route with the first 3 months in Australasia (UAE, Sri Lanka, India, Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia, New Guinea, Australia, New Zealand), limited time in the Western Palearctic (Netherlands, Israel, Spain) and Nearctic (USA, mostly southern), and a comparable route in Africa (Ethiopia, Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania, Malawi, Madagascar, South Africa, Ghana). This gives him nearly a month extra in the most productive Neotropical region (Suriname, Brazil, Argentinia, Chile, Peru, Ecuador, Colombia, Panama, Costa Rica, Jamaica, Cuba, Guatemala, Mexico). Of course he has the benefit of Noah going first so he can tweak his itinerary.
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A very simplistic possibly flawed analysis suggests that the key differences are:-

Noah's unique locations
Antarctica & Falklands - 7 days
Iceland - 1 day
Norway - 4 days
Turkey - 4 days
Cameroon - 9 days
Myanmar - 7 days
China - 6 days
Taiwan - 3 days
Borneo - 6 days

Arjan's unique locations
Netherlands - 4 days
Sri Lanka - 5 days
Java - 3 days
Israel - 3 days
Ethiopia - 7 days
Malawi - 7 days
Surinam - 7 days
Cuba - unknown duration

Of the overlapping locations, the differing approaches and locations in India/Sri Lanka stand out as does the shorter period in Madagascar, the longer period in Ghana and the shorter period in Australia. I'll try and do something a bit more considered.

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Old Wednesday 28th October 2015, 15:28   #5
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Cuba

A good addition - but not worth more than 2-3 days. I think I saw all the gettable endemics (bar one) in my first two days a couple of years ago; flying in from / back to Cancun which is I guess what Arjand will do? I would guess 40 unique species is possible if he picks up more widespread Caribbean species.

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At the moment on a very rough fagpacket analysis (attached), what surprises me is how little time he is spending in Asia and much time he is spending in Central & North America. I reckon this may well be a pretty close run thing if Noah keeps up his pace over the next month in particular.........

Any other thoughts?

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I'm really surprised about his approach in europe. i would have done it in a similar way like Noah and feel like he's gonna see less stuff in the WP than Noah, eventhough he should have a home field advantage here.
However I'm not an expert and I might be wrong

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I'm really surprised about his approach in europe. i would have done it in a similar way like Noah and feel like he's gonna see less stuff in the WP than Noah, eventhough he should have a home field advantage here.
However I'm not an expert and I might be wrong

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I think the winter and spring big days in the Netherlands will get a few species that Noah did not get. Iceland and Norway for Noah will have added some that Arjan will not get and Turkey will possibly win out over Israel.... I suspect shortening Spain is correct.

WP & OSME Comparison
Noah
Iceland - 1 day
Norway - 4 days
Turkey - 4 days
Spain - 6 days
UAE - 1 day
Total - 16 days

Arjan
Netherlands - 4 days
Spain - 4 days
Israel - 3 days
UAE - 2 days
Total - 13 days

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An update on Arjan's Neotropics schedule:
1 week Suriname
3.5 weeks Brazil (northwest, east, Atlantic forest, Pantanal, Cristalino)
Extended stay in Argentina, main focus on the north
3.5 weeks Mexico incl. Yucatan
1 week each in Panama, Costa Rica & Guatemala
2 days Jamaica
2 days Dominican Republic
3 days Cuba
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A very simplistic possibly flawed analysis suggests that the key differences are:-

Noah's unique locations
Antarctica & Falklands - 7 days
Iceland - 1 day
Norway - 4 days
Turkey - 4 days
Cameroon - 9 days
Myanmar - 7 days
China - 6 days
Taiwan - 3 days
Borneo - 6 days

Arjan's unique locations
Netherlands - 4 days
Java - 3 days
Israel - 3 days
Ethiopia - 7 days
Malawi - 7 days
Surinam - 7 day
Dominican Republic - 2 days
Cuba - 3 days
Edited for today's developments with the current record holder in Sri Lanka.

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Is there an updated itinerary out there?

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It seems that, like buses, attempts on the world record for the best annual list comes in twos or threes. For those addicted to following Noah's achievements here's something to look forward to next year -http://www.arjandwarshuis.com/#biggestyear
Don't see any discussion of how he is going to offset the carbon produced by his unnecessary travels in the article. This should be mandatory for anyone contemplating such a carbon-intensive project in the era of global warming. If he's not going to do it, he should find some other project to raise money for his worthy cause.

[EDIT: As Paul points out below, he is planning an offset. I reviewed article before posting and searched for key terms, but not the ones that found the right passage. In any event, my main goal was to raise awareness--as I note in my post below--since it had not yet been mentioned in this thread.]

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Don't see any discussion of how he is going to offset the carbon produced by his unnecessary travels in the article. This should be mandatory for anyone contemplating such a carbon-intensive project in the era of global warming. If he's not going to do it, he should find some other project to raise money for his worthy cause.
It is difficult to imagine that someone would post this comment without taking the following two minimal steps first:-
1. Click on the link; and
2. Search for the word 'carbon'.

Nevertheless I quote the result of those steps:-

'Of course I am fully aware that travelling around the world for a whole year will leave a significant carbon footprint. Therefore, I will follow a carbon offset program with my sponsor ATPI.'
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Don't see any discussion of how he is going to offset the carbon produced by his unnecessary travels in the article. This should be mandatory for anyone contemplating such a carbon-intensive project in the era of global warming. If he's not going to do it, he should find some other project to raise money for his worthy cause.
If you are going to set these restrictions on someone else's next 365 days of birding, I hope that you are also taking the same approach.
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I can't imagine the five days Noah spent between Iceland and Norway were very profitable numerically?

Surely those five days could have been utilised better in a more prolific region, what is at either place that can't be pulled in elswhere, can't think of anything?

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I can't imagine the five days Noah spent between Iceland and Norway were very profitable numerically?

Surely those five days could have been utilised better in a more prolific region, ...
Ditto the time in Antarctica, even more so.
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It is difficult to imagine that someone would post this comment without taking the following two minimal steps first:-
1. Click on the link; and
2. Search for the word 'carbon'.

Nevertheless I quote the result of those steps:-

'Of course I am fully aware that travelling around the world for a whole year will leave a significant carbon footprint. Therefore, I will follow a carbon offset program with my sponsor ATPI.'
Just 'robbing Peter to pay Paul' isn't it?

No different to e.g China or the USA buying a forest in Chad (just an example, not sure they have?) so they can burn more coal at home?

I stand ready to be educated......


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I can't imagine the five days Noah spent between Iceland and Norway were very profitable numerically?

Surely those five days could have been utilised better in a more prolific region, what is at either place that can't be pulled in elswhere, can't think of anything?

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I think you're wrong there. I think that his WP strategy was almost spot on. Too many days in Spain when he should have done a big day in say Estonia. He added 314 species in 16 days in Europe (including Turkey) which was as good as South America for additional species per day but it could have been 330 in say 13 days.

It is the prospects of a return that are important rather than how prolific the region - 260 additions in 27 days in Columbia evidences that he overstayed because he had done so well elsewhere in South America. Before the year started, who would have said to him - 'don't stay in Columbia too long!'....

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Just 'robbing Peter to pay Paul' isn't it?

No different to e.g China or the USA buying a forest in Chad (just an example, not sure they have?) so they can burn more coal at home?

I stand ready to be educated......


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No idea. My response was simply to the claim that there was no discussion on carbon offsetting which was simply wrong. For me addressing global warming without population reduction is just about making one species more comfortable whilst habitat destruction etc continues to devastate biodiversity.

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In my view the possible suggestions thrown up by analysis of Noah's approach to date - which was never publicised as attempting to maximise his return - have been:-
(i) The initial 5 day indulgence in Antarctica - which he did for personal reasons rather than the record;
(ii) Too long in Columbia;
(iii) Too long in Mexico;
(iv) Too long in USA or more accurately not using the same length for going north say a quick Alaska trip;
(v) Not using that time for say a couple of days in Cuba and possibly elsewhere in the Caribbean;
(vi) Two days too many in Spain and he should have fitted in a big day in Eastern Europe; and
(vii) Working out how to use the time saved for more geographical spread in Africa eg Ethiopia and Asia/Oceania eg Sumatra, Java, Moluccas and Solomon Islands.

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(i) The initial 5 day indulgence in Antarctica - which he did for personal reasons rather than the record;
I think it's great that Noah will be able to reflect on the fact that he birded all continents of the world in his quest. Whatever his final total, it's anyway likely to be bettered sometime by a more finely-tuned itinerary...
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I think it's great that Noah will be able to reflect on the fact that he birded all continents of the world in his quest. Whatever his final total, it's anyway likely to be bettered sometime by a more finely-tuned itinerary...
Totally agree. He has made it repeatedly clear that this was not solely a list-maximising effort which is why he is only about 1,000 ahead of the previous record....

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It is difficult to imagine that someone would post this comment without taking the following two minimal steps first:-
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Nevertheless I quote the result of those steps:-

'Of course I am fully aware that travelling around the world for a whole year will leave a significant carbon footprint. Therefore, I will follow a carbon offset program with my sponsor ATPI.'
Thanks. Glad to see it. Before posting, I did in fact click on the link, reviewed it quickly, and searched for "warming" and "climate" (or something like that). Which yielded nothing. But my main goal was to make sure the issue was raised in this thread, because it had not even been mentioned so far and there is a significant chance of all this discussion generating more such attempts by people who will not take such steps.

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If you are going to set these restrictions on someone else's next 365 days of birding, I hope that you are also taking the same approach.
If I did a global big year, I certainly would take such steps. (Though I'm not planning any such attempt). Global big years are surely the most carbon intensive endeavor in all of birding bar none. [EDIT: Frankly, at this point in the history of the planet, they strike me, to borrow a book title, as "a supremely bad idea."]

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I think you're wrong there. I think that his WP strategy was almost spot on. Too many days in Spain when he should have done a big day in say Estonia. He added 314 species in 16 days in Europe (including Turkey) which was as good as South America for additional species per day but it could have been 330 in say 13 days.

It is the prospects of a return that are important rather than how prolific the region - 260 additions in 27 days in Columbia evidences that he overstayed because he had done so well elsewhere in South America. Before the year started, who would have said to him - 'don't stay in Columbia too long!'....

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You enjoy figuring this stuff out Paul, what did he see in Iceland and Norway that wasn't seen anywhere else?

Barrow's Goldeneye, Harlequin Duck, Gyr etc in Iceland, all possible in N America. Likewise Great Grey Owl, Pine Grosbeak etc in Norway.

These species surely could have been picked up in a more profitable way?

There's nothing up there that he couldn't have got in North America except Three-toed Woodpecker (split by most) but he didn't have to be so far North in Europe to get that and Sibe Tit I think.

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Totally agree. He has made it repeatedly clear that this was not solely a list-maximising effort which is why he is only about 1,000 ahead of the previous record....

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So the point was / is, I know he's engaged with the locals in a few places?

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