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Old Wednesday 23rd August 2017, 18:29   #1
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Lark identification required

Hello All
Need help to identify this lark. I took the photographs from Multan, Punjab, Pakistan On 20 August 2017.
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Old Wednesday 23rd August 2017, 19:12   #2
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Hi, is this definitely a lark? Really hard to see any detail of the bill, and can't really judge tail length, but might it be a Tawny Pipit?
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Old Wednesday 23rd August 2017, 19:18   #3
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Def Pipit but which?



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Old Thursday 24th August 2017, 01:18   #4
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Doesn't look a pipit to me, I'd say this is a Crested Lark.
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Old Thursday 24th August 2017, 02:26   #5
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Doesn't look a pipit to me, I'd say this is a Crested Lark.
That was my thought too.

One can almost sense that the tertials are slightly shorter than the primaries, and the wing in particular has the pattern and structure of that robust species.

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Old Thursday 24th August 2017, 14:23   #6
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That was my thought too.

One can almost sense that the tertials are slightly shorter than the primaries, and the wing in particular has the pattern and structure of that robust species.

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Thank you very much for such detailed answer
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Just does not look like a Lark to me, apparently small bill is better for a Pipit despite Peter's 'sense' of the tertials IMHO.....?


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Just does not look like a Lark to me, apparently small bill is better for a Pipit despite Peter's 'sense' of the tertials IMHO.....?


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I also sense that a Pipit (perhaps in particular such a long-legged species as Tawny Pipit) would have a different stance, and would be anatomically/proportionally at a variance with our subject

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Old Thursday 24th August 2017, 17:31   #9
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FWIW, I'm currently residing in Larksville rather than Pipiton, mostly on posture.
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FWIW, I'm currently residing in Larksville rather than Pipiton, mostly on posture.
Doesn't it have a rather narrow, base to the bill for e.g Crested lark?


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Old Thursday 24th August 2017, 19:32   #11
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FWIW I thought Crested Lark straight away on seeing the photos last night....but I was tired and didn't trust myself.
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Looking at these again I tend to agree it looks more lark than pipit, especially the first photo.
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Looking at these again I tend to agree it looks more lark than pipit, especially the first photo.

On what though?

Choices are fairly limited and it just doesn't look bulky enough or have the right bill structure for Crested lark to me?

I'm sticking with Pipit until someones qualifies why it's a Lark and what Lark


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I like your attitude

There's got to be some evidence to ones "feel" or "sense" of the genus.

Here's one more "de-tail" in favour of Crested Lark versus Tawny Pipit: the tail projection is shorter in the former than in the latter.

http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?i...cture_id=57516

http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?i...cture_id=57887

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I like your attitude

There's got to be some evidence to ones "feel" or "sense" of the genus.

Here's one more "de-tail" in favour of Crested Lark versus Tawny Pipit: the tail projection is shorter in the former than in the latter.

http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?i...cture_id=57516

http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?i...cture_id=57887

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The bill structure alone, IMHO defeats you argument, way to small and narrow based than ant Crested I ever saw? I never looked at this and thought Lark?

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Bulky shape, long thick streaks on chest, lack of long and evident submoustachial white stripe, all shout Crested Lark to me. Also bill base looks quite broad to me.
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The bill structure alone, IMHO defeats you argument, way to small and narrow based than ant Crested I ever saw? I never looked at this and thought Lark?

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Bill is one end of the bird. Tail is at the other end.

And I never looked at this lark and thought: Pipit!

People are different.

And so are birds.

Found a rather dainty-billed Crested, but with our bird we're looking at a set of blurred images....

https://www.shutterstock.com/da/vide.../14027945:2/gg

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