Join for FREE
It only takes a minute!
Magnifying the passion for nature. Zeiss Victory Harpia 95. New!

Welcome to BirdForum.
BirdForum is the net's largest birding community, dedicated to wild birds and birding, and is absolutely FREE! You are most welcome to register for an account, which allows you to take part in lively discussions in the forum, post your pictures in the gallery and more.

Brightest & best 7x or 8x large objective binocular?

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old Saturday 10th March 2018, 03:13   #1
Acute
Registered User

 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Oceania
Posts: 4
Brightest & best 7x or 8x large objective binocular?

What is your recommendation for the brightest 7x or 8x large objective modern binocular available today at any price? Image quality and brightness are the main criteria.
Acute is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Saturday 10th March 2018, 03:51   #2
WJC
Registered User
 
WJC's Avatar

 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Twin Falls, Idaho
Posts: 1,939
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acute View Post
What is your recommendation for the brightest 7x or 8x large objective modern binocular available today at any price? Image quality and brightness are the main criteria.
Hi, Acute:

And welcome to our little band of misfits.

Only you can define what a "large objective" means. To some, it's 42mm, to others it's 50mm, still others would say 80mm, 100mm, or larger.

All quality levels being equal, brightness is determined by the size of the unvignetted exit pupil that reaches your retina and several minor physical attributes along the optical train and is not determined by brand names, models, or AR coatings (although they play a part). I know some would say different. And that's okay; I wish the Easter Bunny was real, too.

Bill
__________________
“To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment.”—Ralph Waldo Emerson

Last edited by WJC : Saturday 10th March 2018 at 04:21.
WJC is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Saturday 10th March 2018, 04:21   #3
[email protected]
Registered User

 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,228
Swarovski SLC HD 8x56 Binocular or a Zeiss Victory FL 8x56.

https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/4...victory-fl-56/

Last edited by [email protected] : Saturday 10th March 2018 at 05:38.
denco@comcast.n is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Saturday 10th March 2018, 06:19   #4
typo
Registered User

 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 3,510
Acute,

I think it might help if you explained the intended use. What magnification and objective size works best depends on what you are trying to observe, the available light, and includes the age of the user amongst other things.

David

Last edited by typo : Saturday 10th March 2018 at 06:24.
typo is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old Saturday 10th March 2018, 07:10   #5
Canip
Registered User

 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Nordschweiz
Posts: 306
Quote:
Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
Swarovski SLC HD 8x56 Binocular or a Zeiss Victory FL 8x56.

https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/4...victory-fl-56/
For once (probably the only time ever ) I agree with Dennis.
Canip is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Saturday 10th March 2018, 07:17   #6
Troubador
Moderator
 
Troubador's Avatar

 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Sheffield
Posts: 7,308
Quote:
Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
Swarovski SLC HD 8x56 Binocular or a Zeiss Victory FL 8x56.

https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/4...victory-fl-56/
Agreed

Lee
Troubador is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Saturday 10th March 2018, 14:26   #7
PhilR.
Registered User

 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: TX
Posts: 614
For a 7x -- the Nikon WX.
PhilR. is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Saturday 10th March 2018, 21:57   #8
Tringa45
Registered User

 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Cologne, Germany
Posts: 36
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilR. View Post
For a 7x -- the Nikon WX.
Agreed
The most spectacular binocular I have ever viewed through, although it was only in an exhibition hall. A massive FOV (188 m @ 1000 m), excellent edge sharpness and good eye relief.
No good for birding though with IF, probably painful to hand hold with its 2,4 kg (the exhibition example was on a tripod) and excruciatingly painful in the wallet!

John
Tringa45 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Sunday 11th March 2018, 00:08   #9
pshute
Registered User

 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 843
Quote:
Originally Posted by WJC View Post
All quality levels being equal, brightness is determined by the size of the unvignetted exit pupil that reaches your retina and several minor physical attributes along the optical train and is not determined by brand names, models, or AR coatings (although they play a part). I know some would say different. And that's okay; I wish the Easter Bunny was real, too.

Bill
And this includes your own pupils. I’m under the impression that during the day when your pupils are small, using large objectives doesn’t result in increased brightness. And that pupils are often not at their maximum at night either.

Has anyone actually tested where the cutoff is for any benefit from larger objectives? I tried comparing my Monarch 8x42s with a friend’s 8x56s one evening, and couldn’t see much difference. Maybe I didn’t test carefully enough.

I vaguely remember someone saying that large objectives had another benefit besides brightness. Something to do with blackout?
pshute is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Sunday 11th March 2018, 01:17   #10
Acute
Registered User

 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Oceania
Posts: 4
Thank you for the useful input so far. I would use these for nocturnal animals, also including bats, owls, and a little astronomy etc.. and some daytime viewing. I am aware of the constraints of pupil dilation vs age and have studied the charts, and I am also familiar with many of the high end bins. I enjoy using large objective binoculars even in daylight, and when they exceed my dilation capabilities. Not for ideal for long hikes, of course, but I am covered for that. The slc 8x56 is excellent, but I was wondering if there is anything better now, or coming soon. My personal version of the ideal design for this application would be something like a 7x50 using AK prism with 95%+ transmission with the best possible glass and coatings, from Zeiss, Swarovski, Leica or Nikon, and made in Germany or Japan.
Acute is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Sunday 11th March 2018, 01:29   #11
Maljunulo
Registered User

 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 682
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acute View Post
Thank you for the useful input so far. I would use these for nocturnal animals, also including bats, owls, and a little astronomy etc.. and some daytime viewing. I am aware of the constraints of pupil dilation vs age and have studied the charts, and I am also familiar with many of the high end bins. I enjoy using large objective binoculars even in daylight, and when they exceed my dilation capabilities. Not for ideal for long hikes, of course, but I am covered for that. The slc 8x56 is excellent, but I was wondering if there is anything better now, or coming soon. My personal version of the ideal design for this application would be something like a 7x50 using AK prism with 95%+ transmission with the best possible glass and coatings, from Zeiss, Swarovski, Leica or Nikon, and made in Germany or Japan.
For owls I have used Fujinon 10X70, but even with those it was a struggle when the birds were in the woods.
__________________
All behavior offends someone.
Maljunulo is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Sunday 11th March 2018, 06:33   #12
typo
Registered User

 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 3,510
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acute View Post
Thank you for the useful input so far. I would use these for nocturnal animals, also including bats, owls, and a little astronomy etc.. and some daytime viewing. I am aware of the constraints of pupil dilation vs age and have studied the charts, and I am also familiar with many of the high end bins. I enjoy using large objective binoculars even in daylight, and when they exceed my dilation capabilities. Not for ideal for long hikes, of course, but I am covered for that. The slc 8x56 is excellent, but I was wondering if there is anything better now, or coming soon. My personal version of the ideal design for this application would be something like a 7x50 using AK prism with 95%+ transmission with the best possible glass and coatings, from Zeiss, Swarovski, Leica or Nikon, and made in Germany or Japan.
Acute,

Zeiss and Leica (Leitz) did some detailed studies on the use of binoculars in low light. I'm relying on Holger Merlitz's interpretation of the data, but they showed the benefit of higher power on target detectability and seeing detail in low and very low light. Providing the exit pupil wasn't smaller than the user's own pupil. So if you are young and your pupils still dilate to 7mm then, as Maljunulo suggests, his 10x70 will beat a 7x50, It might be great for roosting owls.... but it wouldn't be my choice for following bats in flight.

Bescides the obvious candidates from the major brands, I can think of one that might be worth considering. The Maven B2 7x45 has AK prisms I believe, a 6.3mm exit pupil and a claimed 93.6% transmission. I've never seen one, but the forum reports on the higher magnifications in particlar say they are excellent. https://mavenbuilt.com

David
typo is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old Monday 16th April 2018, 04:26   #13
MarkusP
Registered User

 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: USA
Posts: 6
I highly recommend if possible trying Zeiss Victory FL 8x56. They are truly superb optics. Very easy and relaxed view, huge sharp sweet spot. Only negative I see is astigmatism outside the huge sweet spot. I really want to compare my big FL's with the comparable Swaro's, hopefully soon!

Acute...Good luck on your quest for the brightest and best!!!

Markus

Last edited by MarkusP : Monday 16th April 2018 at 04:29.
MarkusP is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Monday 16th April 2018, 18:58   #14
dries1
Registered User
BF Supporter 2018
 
dries1's Avatar

 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Delaware
Posts: 668
Acute,

As what David said, look for a 7X40-50, with central focus (CF). Maven and Optricon may be some of the few manufacturers producing 7X at the moment, along with Leica. I myself would be pleased with a Leica ultravid 7X42 HD or you could try to obtain a used Meopta 7X42 B1.

Andy W.
dries1 is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2018 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Tuesday 17th April 2018, 00:22   #15
Theo98
Eurasian Goldfinch
BF Supporter 2018
 
Theo98's Avatar

 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: SE La
Posts: 866
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acute View Post
What is your recommendation for the brightest 7x or 8x large objective modern binocular available today at any price? Image quality and brightness are the main criteria.
For a 7X, the 7X45, 6.4 EP, 388ft FOV, 18mm ER, 6.5ft CF, great priced Maven B2 Looks to be an awesome candidate.

For an 8X, you have more choices. But due to many positive comments and reviews (no personal experience), IMO I'd highly recommend the SLC 8X56!

Ted
__________________
Seeing is Believing ...Believing without Seeing is...FAITH!
Theo98 is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2018 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Advertisement
Reply


Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Large objective low mag scope? Boogieshrew Spotting Scopes & tripod/heads 18 Wednesday 16th September 2015 15:51
Q: Is there an objective binocular ranking system out there ? MagpieCorvidae Binoculars 40 Saturday 24th May 2014 08:04
Large scratch on objective lens - put up with or replace? sammyboy Binoculars 7 Saturday 26th June 2010 21:10
Large Objective Binocs??? robbor Others 70 Monday 17th December 2007 12:33

{googleads}

Fatbirder's Top 1000 Birding Websites

Help support BirdForum

Page generated in 0.17111206 seconds with 26 queries
All times are GMT. The time now is 18:12.