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Old Tuesday 15th March 2011, 18:24   #1
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Astroscope + DSLR = Setups!

Here's mine
Scope: Celestron 80ed apo

Tripod: triopo (cheapish carbon fibre one, dont recall modell)

Head: The gimbal from ebay/india

Ext-tube: 80mm extension tube.

Camera mount adapter: 2" adapter for Olympus OM (used with an OM-to-fourthirds adapter with AF-chip) from http://www.cncsupplyinc.com

Special: own dovetail plate drilled right onto scope. On it, mounted a flash "thingy"
(have begun to use my remote capable flash (FL50r) with better beamer. mostly intended for use in winter time.)


Adapters available from www.cncsupplyinc.com

2" UltraWide Prime Focus Telescope Adapters
Canon EOS/Rebel
Canon F/A/T Series
Minolta Maxxum
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Old Wednesday 16th March 2011, 04:02   #2
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Cango, ready for Afghanistan? Real rugged. Did you not remove your clampshell rings? That thing weight almost a kg..... Never tried using the scope with flash. Gave up using the flash with my DIY Better Beamer flash extender since my tele lens day.
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Old Wednesday 16th March 2011, 04:29   #3
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Cango, ready for Afghanistan? Real rugged. Did you not remove your clampshell rings? That thing weight almost a kg..... Never tried using the scope with flash. Gave up using the flash with my DIY Better Beamer flash extender since my tele lens day.
LOL.
EDIT: Forgot about the clampshells. Yes, initially when I used the videohead, I removed the clampshells and drilled holes under and used it with long dovetail.
NOW, with the gimbal, I put the clamshells on (seen in the pictures here) because I had to mount the dovetail from the right side and couldn't use my longer dovetail, and had to do a new one.
Eventually, when I have the time, I will drill holes from the side to mount it without clampshells. Sorry for the confusion ;-)

Eventually I could post some photos taken with this combo and better beamer. I don't really like flash photos, but If it's not noticed (that much) it's ok.
The Gimbal is cheap and works really well. It's not that heavy (lesser parts than most gimbals) Wish I had gone for this one much earlier. It works perfectly with the "focusing with all somewhat loose" that I learned from Paul.

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Old Wednesday 16th March 2011, 04:48   #4
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That's the Gimbal I based my DIY design on. Simple and light but very functional.
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Old Wednesday 16th March 2011, 12:42   #5
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My setups new and old.
The TL APO804 on top of a Berlebach 2002 and Benro KB-3 head. The connection to the camera is made from a TS extension tube machined to fit an iris inside, the mount was from an old Sigma lens (makes for a much better fit than a regular Tring) , on top of that is a machined teflon piece to cover the conection parts, to make the look as clean as possible.

And my old SW ED80 on top of my homemade groundpod and Benro KB-3 Head.
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Old Friday 18th March 2011, 14:42   #6
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here's my earlier setup with a video head (giotto)
For those who are worried about using large extension tubes - making the heavy camera (or not so heavy) dip, thus bending the lightpath, I made a loong dovetail plate. On the extension tube I put a V shaped mdf/woode piece (see pic 2) that hold up the weight. There is of course a fricton where it glides, but very little (the pointier and stiff the material is the better).
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Old Friday 18th March 2011, 20:34   #7
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Good idea, Cango. I have the Celestron too and boy is that focuser floppy with a couple of extension tubes and a camera behind it!
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Old Friday 18th March 2011, 20:53   #8
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Good idea, Cango. I have the Celestron too and boy is that focuser floppy with a couple of extension tubes and a camera behind it!
One thing to consider regarding the celestron is to add a distance piece to the dovetail plate, because of the focuser (house?). The focuser (house?) on the celestron is bigger than the scope tube itself. Therefore when trying to mount a dovetail plate this long (well, that goes backwards towards the camera) the focuser (house/body) is in the way.

see pics of how I choose to deal with it. I am sure there are other ways.
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Another thing. A drawback to my solution is not being able to shoot portrait mode, because of the long plate. (at least not while focuser is all in.) I could have chopped it off a little, but never got to it. At the moment I don't need it, so if you want it, you can have it. :-) (But I'm sure you could do your own, and better looking than mine :-) )
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Old Friday 18th March 2011, 21:43   #10
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My setups new and old.
The TL APO804 on top of a Berlebach 2002 and Benro KB-3 head. The connection to the camera is made from a TS extension tube machined to fit an iris inside, the mount was from an old Sigma lens (makes for a much better fit than a regular Tring) , on top of that is a machined teflon piece to cover the conection parts, to make the look as clean as possible.

And my old SW ED80 on top of my homemade groundpod and Benro KB-3 Head.
Boy, Fernando. You make better looking scopes than the scope makers themselves!
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Old Friday 18th March 2011, 22:43   #11
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Another thing. A drawback to my solution is not being able to shoot portrait mode, because of the long plate. (at least not while focuser is all in.) I could have chopped it off a little, but never got to it. At the moment I don't need it, so if you want it, you can have it. :-) (But I'm sure you could do your own, and better looking than mine :-) )
I'm too lazy to worry too much about looks :). I'll probably just use mine as-is, but I do think your photos (for whatever reason) are a bit sharper than what I've been getting so far. Thanks to you guys, at least I know it's just me and not the scope...just have to work on technique and getting closer I think. Keep those images coming!

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Old Saturday 19th March 2011, 12:27   #12
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Astro gear

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SW 80ED + Revelation Astro 50mm Ext tube +
Screw Fit Ext Tubes + Max DSLR EF Adapter + Canon 40D

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Adjustable ext tube made from old Zoom Lens. All innards removed.
New focuser also fitted
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Old Saturday 19th March 2011, 12:30   #13
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This scope SW 120 ST 600mm f5 + Bayonet Ext tubes + Max DSLR Pentax K mount ( adapted from Canon mount )
+ Pentax K200D

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Old Saturday 19th March 2011, 17:10   #14
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Musoman: setup looks great!
A question: "Adjustable ext tube made from old Zoom Lens. All innards removed.
New focuser also fitted".
Are you able to focus helically (with the old zoom) ? Or are even the moving parts also removed, not just the glass?
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Well strictly speaking - i no longer have the 80ED with the zoom lens attached ( without the innards and glass - got the idea from Fernando ) It was sold to a Bird forum member

The last photo i posted is the 120 ST 600 and isnt a match for the 80ED in quality. Its just half the price with a wider aperture

But no, the zoom function on the 80ED was just push or pull the outer barrel to change the near / far focusing. There was nothing at all left inside. It was just a way of shortening or lengthening the ext. tube without the hassle of having to dismantle anything, like you have to with screw or bayonet tubes

I'm still toying with the idea of a short tube light weight scope like Fernandos, ( half the weight of my 120ST and almost half the weight of the 80ED ) but with the same quality optics of the 80ED so that
i can drag the Focal Length back up and beyond with 1.5x abd 2x TC's, but without sacrificing the IQ
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Here's my setup.

Nikon D90 and Orion 80ED scope with 50mm T-tube extension and chipped T-adapter. Carrying handle on rings.

Old Velbon VGB-3 tripod (needs to be upgraded).

Giottos MH-1000 ball head (used for pan only).

Home-made wooden tilt mount.
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Aegea, It looks like a bird is sitting on top of your camera. Nice set up.
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Aegea, It looks like a bird is sitting on top of your camera. Nice set up.
Now you mention it, it does look like a bird - that would have been just perfect!
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Except if it was really on the camera, its about an inch long
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A quick question for all you highly knowlegeable masters of the astro-scoping community, what tripods are you using?

I just took the plunge and ordered the SW 80ED, Max DSLR and Entension tubes so hope to have it all soon for a play. I did then start to wonder, with the increased weight over my usual kit, whether you guys have any tripod / head recommendations?
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For a head that i use at the moment, i can recommend the Manfrotto 808RC4 @ around £85.. its pan & tilt, rather than a ball head, as IMO, they're much easier to use. If you have extra money, around £125, you could get the Manfrotto 393 Gimbal - i've used one of those too, and they're brilliant for the money

Tripods - too many to choose, but some of the beefier Manfrottos would be ok , like the 190XPROB - Morrisphoto have them on offer at just over £100

Others may have better suggestions
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Thanks for the quick reply.

Sounds like I should be all set then, as I already have the Manfrotto 393 and the 190XPROB.

To be honest, I never really seemed to get along with ballheads and much prefer a sturdy pan / tilt head.
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Astroscope + DSLR = Setups!

Hi everyone, this is my first post after long being a lurker.

I recently bought a Canon 7d and have been struggling with a Sigma 400mm that only works at F5.6 on a 7d so I am looking at alternatives and am interested in the astroscope approach vs long telephoto but there is something I don't get.

Fernando Batista takes a fine photo with his TL APO804 which is equivalent to 480mm F6 and with a 1.4x converter becomes a 672mm F8.4 or with a 2x converter becomes a 960mm F12

Whereas others use a Skywatcher/Celestron/Orion ED80 which is equivalent to a 600mm F7.5 or a 840 mm F10.5 with a 1.4x converter.

However all of these solutions are heavy, are manual focus and require a solid tripod and a bit of adaptation.

Whereas I could buy a 300mm F4 L IS lens for $1300 which becomes a 420mm
F5.6 with a 1.4x or 600mm F8 with a 2x converter and still retain autofocus and have image stabilisation or I could stack converters to have a 840mm F11 manual. The 300mm is lightweight and with a monopod seems more versatile than going down the astroscope route.

Alternately I could buy an old canon/tamron/tokina 300mm F2.8 manual lens for the same price and still be ahead of the astroscope route. I even saw an old 600mm F4.5 lens on ebay going for not much more.

So what is the attraction?

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To be honest, I never really seemed to get along with ballheads and much prefer a sturdy pan / tilt head.
I use a Giottos MH-1000, which is a good ball head with a separate pan feature - very useful and versatile, but rather heavy.
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