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Old Tuesday 16th October 2012, 22:11   #1
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Odd pipit?, Glos, UK

I saw this bird a few times getting up with a flock of Meadow pipit. It was easy to pick out amongst the flock in flight due to the shorter tail and different flight. I didn't see it on the ground and didn't hear it call unfortunately.

Shocking pics I know. Thanks for any input.
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Old Tuesday 16th October 2012, 22:40   #2
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Woodlark?

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Old Wednesday 17th October 2012, 00:51   #3
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Difficult to tell conclusively, or ever, from these photos. But the fact that you found it so "short-tailed and different?" And looking at the the Jizz in the photos? I'd say it has a "Lark Feel" to it. Ken's suggestion of Woodlark fits my feeling on the snaps. Having seen many in flight. The pics best remind me of this bird. Short-tailed, dumpy, bat-winged bird. But I wouldn't advocate confirming this on the evidence at hand, without better pics or a call description. But it's the right time in Glos to have one on migration!
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Old Wednesday 17th October 2012, 03:56   #4
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Woodlark?
My first impression too...
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Old Wednesday 17th October 2012, 06:42   #5
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Not a lot to go on... but wouldn't a Woodlark stand out as bigger/stockier in a flock of Mipits?

If it was Pipit-sized, then aside from a Mipit regrowing its tail, the one that looks obviously short tailed in flight is Pechora!!!
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Old Wednesday 17th October 2012, 07:44   #6
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I can't place this bill on Woodlark either.
Any refinements to be had on the flight and proportions compared with the Meadow pipits Mabbs?
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The wings look far too broad for a pipit...and the flight was described as quite different from Anthus....Woodlarks are on the move at this time, and assuming the tail to be normal, coupled with what I might describe as looking more deep bodied. I'd have thought Woodlark would have been the most likely contender.
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Old Wednesday 17th October 2012, 08:46   #8
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If this would be a Woodlark concerning wingshape ,then we are allowed to compare to this one http://www.davefoker.co.uk/photo_8446405.html
and consequently, we are stuck with that species.
But.. the very same picture still allows to proceed to pipit spec. (ambiguous that is)
Still some options left with this wingshape perhaps but this bird is within anthus I reckon
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Its certainly compatible with Woodlark shape-wise. Just need Mabbs to confirm that it was larger.
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Old Wednesday 17th October 2012, 08:58   #10
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If this would be a Woodlark concerning wingshape ,then we are allowed to compare to this one http://www.davefoker.co.uk/photo_8446405.html
and consequently, we are stuck with that species.
But.. the very same picture still allows to proceed to pipit spec. (ambiguous that is)
Still some options left with this wingshape perhaps but this bird is within anthus I reckon

You know, I'm not sure that that bird isn't a Tree Pipit- the Tertials look HUGE
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You know, I'm not sure that that bird isn't a Tree Pipit- the Tertials look HUGE
it is a Tree pipit I know
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I believe most passerines have a shorter P1 than P2 and I believe that includes Anthus.

Here's a profile shot of Trip. compare....
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Thanks for the feedback. I thought woodlark at the time but just didn't appear to have a lark flight. Not that i have seen many though. Just didn't seem as undulating like i would have expected for WL. Profile fits well for WL though. All i could hear were the other mipits as the flock got up and it was bevaving very pipit like. It was fading light and the birds were never up for long. A tricky one. Thanks again
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Did anyone go and look for this bird?
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Old Wednesday 17th October 2012, 17:25   #15
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I went up the following day but there was no sign of it or the flock it was with. Shame not to get a positive ID.
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Can you be fully certain that both pictures apply to the same individual?
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Yeah both pics are the same bird. No doubt on that front. I think I would have been struck by the size difference had it been a woodlark. Cheers for response. Will see if any other shots would shed any light.
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My first impression from the thumbnails was Woodlark. My second impression from the photos was Alpine Accentor

I think OBP would be more likely than Tree Pipit at this time of year?
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Thanks Mabbs, I d like to see those pictures no matter the quality:well possible Pechora P
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it looks a bit too round bellied for a pipit. woodlark for me. can we tell anything from the shape of wings (quite square, first pic)
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it looks a bit too round bellied for a pipit.
that's exactly the trick in this species Lou; it's very powerful an appearance compared to those flimsy Meadow Pipits
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i haven't seen one...but sure that jane's compilation gets me thinking. a call would have been so helpfull...
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Wish I had heard a call or managed to get views on the deck to secure the ID. Here is the only other pics I have of it. The blob on the right is the bird in question with blob on left of shot an Meadow pip.
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i am absolutely no expert on pipits but the two birds dont look greatly different in size and weight.... hmmmm
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i haven't seen one...but sure that jane's compilation gets me thinking. a call would have been so helpfull...
The compilation was Woodlarks!

I couldn't find a plethora of Pechora pipits in flight.

Looks everso small in that comparison photo!
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