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Old Tuesday 28th October 2014, 17:54   #1
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Little Rock Thrush? (Ethiopia)

I would be grateful for an opinion on these images which were taken a couple of weeks ago near Lake Langano in Ethiopia. My best guess at the moment is Little Rock Thrush (Monticola rufocinereus), but I'd be interested to hear the thoughts of the forum.

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Old Tuesday 28th October 2014, 18:09   #2
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Isn't it just a Common Redstart?
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Old Tuesday 28th October 2014, 18:11   #3
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Old Tuesday 28th October 2014, 19:18   #4
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Common Redstart was my first thought, but that sharp demarcation between the grey throat and rufous breast doesn't look right. That said, I'm only really familiar with Redstarts during the British summer.
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Old Wednesday 29th October 2014, 02:54   #5
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I nearly got tripped up the same way a few years ago by a very similar bird... http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=128726
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Old Wednesday 29th October 2014, 03:27   #6
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Little Rock Thrush indeed
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Old Wednesday 29th October 2014, 12:36   #7
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I'm in the redstart camp
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Old Wednesday 29th October 2014, 14:08   #9
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Hello

Compare with this bird . I took this picture of this common Redstart in Lebanon . At least no little rock thrushes there.
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CR for me as well

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Old Wednesday 29th October 2014, 16:57   #11
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I have seen plenty of little rock thrushes and common redstart in highland SW Saudi Arabia. Sometimes in winter they are side by side and surprisingly tricky! However, I'd go for common redstart. I dont think I saw any dark feathers at the bottom of the throat on any LRT like in this bird. Also the grey or grey-blue area tends to go a bit further down the chest.

Mike Jennings once told me he thought someone should do some DNA work on the LRT to see if it isnt really a type of redstart!

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Old Wednesday 29th October 2014, 18:06   #12
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Mike Jennings once told me he thought someone should do some DNA work on the LRT to see if it isnt really a type of redstart!

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and do bill measuerments as well.

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They are indeed amazingly similar, but I've seen plenty of them noticeably at Lake Langano, an excellent spot for LRT, and it looks like one of them.
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Old Wednesday 29th October 2014, 19:07   #14
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Common Redstart
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Old Wednesday 29th October 2014, 20:51   #15
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beak -> redstart
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Thanks for your input everybody, it's been quite an education!
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Old Thursday 30th October 2014, 02:17   #17
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Hmm, I'm with Valery on Little Rock Thrush here
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Old Thursday 30th October 2014, 03:49   #18
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Hmm, I'm with Valery on Little Rock Thrush here
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Old Thursday 30th October 2014, 06:52   #19
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The 15 pictures on African bird image Database of Little Rock thrush and the 3 ones in Tanzania Birds have all black bills
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Old Thursday 30th October 2014, 07:44   #20
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there are a lot of features supporting common redstart!

Very dark feathering on throat.
Orange underparts extend all the way up the chest - on LRT much of the chest is slate grey.
Bill colour and dimensions.
Decent eyering.
Pale (whitish) belly - can't find any pics online of LRT that show that.
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there are a lot of features supporting common redstart!

Very dark feathering on throat.
Orange underparts extend all the way up the chest - on LRT much of the chest is slate grey.
Bill colour and dimensions.
Decent eyering.
Pale (whitish) belly - can't find any pics online of LRT that show that.
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I think I will have to give up... too many birders and arguments against LRT... :-)
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Old Thursday 30th October 2014, 11:26   #23
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This LRT taken in Ethiopia looks to have a larger bill that bird in OP and also demarcation of breast-line seems lower?
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I think I will have to give up... too many birders and arguments against LRT... :-)
That's because it's a Redstart Valery!
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Old Friday 31st October 2014, 07:05   #25
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Highly instructive, looking back I can see the dark throat feathering and the smaller bill so I will follow the majority for Redstart
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