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Pipit or Wagtail - RT Wheatear or Common Redstart - Desert or Hooded Wheatear --

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Old Monday 18th January 2016, 16:21   #1
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Pipit or Wagtail - RT Wheatear or Common Redstart - Desert or Hooded Wheatear // Oman

Hi All,

Can you please help ID these 3 species.

All taken between November and Jan near Muscat, Oman.

Thanks in advance !
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Old Monday 18th January 2016, 16:25   #2
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Old Monday 18th January 2016, 18:01   #3
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I'm thinking imm.Yellow Wagtail, Desert Wheatear and female P.samamisicus.

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Old Tuesday 19th January 2016, 17:56   #4
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Thanks Ken. I appreciate it.
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Old Wednesday 20th January 2016, 04:43   #5
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I would have said the Redstart is actually (Eastern) Black Redstart. The dusky throat extends onto the upper breast and the bird is generally too dark and dingy for samisicus. Common Redstart of any form would be very unusual at this time of year in Oman - any redstart which is not black would be more likely to be Eversmann's!
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The sighting it was at about 2000m altitude if it helps.
Comparing these
http://i1.wp.com/birdingfrontiers.co...size=625%2C495
http://www.petermoorewildlifephotogr...)%20Tresco.JPG
with this:
http://www.birdfieldguide.co.uk/imag...aleWinter2.jpg
I'm leaning Common.
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Old Thursday 21st January 2016, 16:04   #7
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The Black Redstarts in the link are the form found in western Europe. Take a look at some of the birds in this link to see what the eastern form phoenicuroides can look like.

https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-z5cBz/i-mHqtDhF

I remember struggling with one of these bird until some more knowledgeable colleagues put me right:

http://www.uaebirding.com/forum/show...Black-Redstart
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Old Tuesday 9th February 2016, 03:24   #8
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Thanks Andy. The dusky throat extends about 0.5 times head size, which is more like Common. However to it does extend to the sides as in a phoenicuroides. What do you think?

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Old Tuesday 9th February 2016, 10:53   #9
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Tough, but I think I'd marginally favour a Black Redstart - the overall upperparts strike me as a bit too grey for Common
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