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Old Tuesday 21st March 2017, 21:54   #76
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Gave it a try and must admit it worked well to say i only had a 110mm lens,i think i have learned a lot about using mirrorless since i last tried BIF with thre V2.

15 fps is not for me but 5 fps on it is very nice,the sensor shows its age though in high contrast situations.
Well done. Pigeons are fast. I often prefer 5fps, even for small bird-BIF - it is a more relaxed kind of shooting, when you rarely run into a full buffer. The high shutter speed usually required for BIF was a pain for me particularly during the winter - you are right, the "ancient sensor" too often means an ISO at high levels. That's why I tried some BIF at low shutter speeds, practicing "panning" in the winter. It was fun, maybe I'll post some of the results.

Shooting with the 30-110 mm at least you avoid "clipped wings" with ducks. Here are two consecutive shots from a series - it's often dangerously close to clipping a wing (or a head) with the CX 70-300.
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A CX 100-200 made the same way as the other lenses so it could be light and cheap would have been nice,its my feeling Nikon were frightened of where the 1 series could go.
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Never owned nor used the Nikon 1 system but always felt that i should give it a try, it certainly looks o be a wonderful system for bird photography but am mightily put off by all the uncertainty that surrounds it's​continuing existence. Surely if the DL compact system is now dead Nikon can't allow the 1 system to die also. You would have to believe that a V4 has to be on the cards plus more lens options or does Nikon's losses of late stop that too?
I believe however that the j,5 has been a big money maker for them. Must say I am tempted to buy a S,/H j5 to try out and hopefully then be ready and prepared for when the ,V4 does come out. Would this be wise or a waste of money!
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wise or a waste of money!

Good question and i wish i could answer,the 1 series is very good on its CAF and i was tempted to go with it rather than m4/3,in the end though the lack of lenses and signs of future development stopped me.

I would say the CAF has the edge on m4/3 but there are more things to consider,i can crop far better with m4/3 so dont need to fill the frame and risk cutting the subject off.

The j5 is a very good camera but i couldnt work with a LCD rear screen i need a viewfinder,they did some restricting with it as far as the FT-1 adapter working goes so that could limit your lens choices and you lose CAF when a none CX lens is used.

The one thing that nearly swung it for me was with the V2 and FT-1 i could use my Sigma 150-600 C giving me a FOV= 405mm-1620mm with AF and OIS,i could for some reason hand hold it at full tele,no idea how.

A couple from the V2 and Sigma
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Outstanding shots! Thanks for the reply. Still the problem remains, to much uncertainty with the system but you do feel it has so much going for it and potential in the future. Would be a shame if Nikon blew it!
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Outstanding shots! Thanks for the reply. Still the problem remains, to much uncertainty with the system but you do feel it has so much going for it and potential in the future. Would be a shame if Nikon blew it!
I honestly believe if they scrap it its because they are scared of its potential as it stands.

Although the bodies where not cheap most of the lenses before the 70-300 where not a bad price at all.

I keep thinking about selling my V2 set up then changing my mind.

I still wonder if the scrapping of the DL range was because the focus ect was so good.
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Never owned nor used the Nikon 1 system but always felt that i should give it a try, it certainly looks o be a wonderful system for bird photography but am mightily put off by all the uncertainty that surrounds it's​continuing existence. Surely if the DL compact system is now dead Nikon can't allow the 1 system to die also. You would have to believe that a V4 has to be on the cards plus more lens options or does Nikon's losses of late stop that too?
I believe however that the j,5 has been a big money maker for them. Must say I am tempted to buy a S,/H j5 to try out and hopefully then be ready and prepared for when the ,V4 does come out. Would this be wise or a waste of money!
I am using my Nikon J5 mainly for landscapes, macro or longtime exposures. And (rarely) combined with a legacy lens via adapter and manual focusing. BIF with a loupe and the cx 70-300 doesn't work half as well as with the V2. So the J5 de facto remains my "second option". It is a great camera and when the weather is sunny, it is able to produce fine photos. However, the V2 gets the vast majority of practice on my daily walks.

The uncertainty regarding the N1 isn't entirely negative, as it leads to lower prices for used gear. Not long ago a V2 was sold for Euro 200 and a CX 70-300 for Euro 550. - I understand that the V2 is "dated" in many respects. For my needs it is more than sufficient, but then I come from a bridge camera (SX 50) and couldn't afford to pay 3k+ for the latest mirrorless cameras.

Edit: The Nikon J5 would be a much more regular companion for my birding walks, if it could shoot 5fps. Its buffer size is half the size of the V2's, it is cruel that we are forced to use 10fps, which fills the buffer too fast.

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The Buzzard photo is a little older (January), but I love it. Four of these five shots can be seen in better resolution at dpreview: Chaffinch, Treecreeper and Fire-/Goldcrest are here, the Buzzard has got a thread of its own.
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awesome shots HermitIbis, TFS..
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Hunting Barn Swallow

A barn swallow picks up an insect.
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Lovely set,you have given me something to aim for
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If you can't find a swallow, try a wagtail. I've posted a longer hunting sequence at dpreview; here are five of these shots in smaller resolution.

This is a kind of "true bird watching" with the Nikon V2 that wasn't possible with my former bridge camera (SX50). That said, from the 16 images (in 15fps mode, from start to landing; 1/2500 sec, iso 500) I find the shots 12-15 a little blurry. The autofocus system isn't really made for small birds.
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From an encounter with a hunting hobby. Only one of the 64 shots showed both the bird and the insect. Apologies for the heavy crop and the bad quality.
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Thanks, Niels and Mike.

If you can't find a swallow, try a wagtail. I've posted a longer hunting sequence at dpreview; here are five of these shots in smaller resolution. .
Got a three shot sequence but screwed up the exposure and needed to pull it back in PP so they are not brilliant.

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Thank you for posting those from my favourite bird. - This year I haven't had many opportunities with migrating swifts - still hoping to improve upon this shot from 2016.
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Sparrowhawk at 30fps

On my way to the supermarket I was crossing a bridge, having the V2 ready for a flying mute swan or duck. The noise of shrieking little birds should have warned me, still it was a surprise when a male Sparrowhawk landed just 5 meters away from me. The bird looked around, stared at me and flew away, an encounter of perhaps 3-5 seconds.

Later I found that for these 59 shots I had the camera set at 30fps. Weird, since I use this only rarely - for small birds. Clearly not my usual bridge-crossing setting. Yet I won't complain. Here are ten photos, including nine of the 11 consecutive shots of the bird's departure.
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Sparrowhawk at 30fps, part2

14 photos can be seen in better resolution at the dpreview site.
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To prepare for a short trip to the coast, I went to the river to practice swallows in flight. The last time I had done that was a while ago, yet the refreshment course went pretty well. These five photos were taken within 35 minutes, on 14 September, around noon, on a sunny day.

Expensive cameras occasionally struggle with BIF photography against a background, as I have learned in various internet threads. The Nikon V2 behaves surprisingly well. - I've posted the same photos in higher resolution at dpreview.
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Peregrine Mirror Attack

A Peregrine falcon attacks his mirror image, crashing into the reflecting surface of a building with a loud "boom". Watched in February. I've later checked in the web to find out more about the incident. - It seems only certain mammals are known to be self-aware, the prime example being the chimpanzee with the red dot on the forehead, who looks in the mirror and then tries to wipe it away. The peregrine must have mistaken the mirror image for a rival. Similar cases are frequently reported, it seems, and only in spring = courtship time.

There is noise in the shadows. Yet it's an unusual episode, so I thought I'd share it nevertheless.
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A Peregrine falcon attacks his mirror image, crashing into the reflecting surface of a building with a loud "boom". Watched in February. I've later checked in the web to find out more about the incident. - It seems only certain mammals are known to be self-aware, the prime example being the chimpanzee with the red dot on the forehead, who looks in the mirror and then tries to wipe it away. The peregrine must have mistaken the mirror image for a rival. Similar cases are frequently reported, it seems, and only in spring = courtship time.

There is noise in the shadows. Yet it's an unusual episode, so I thought I'd share it nevertheless.
Thanks for sharing HermitIbis....an intriguing series of shots!
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[...]. I've later checked in the web to find out more about the incident. - It seems only certain mammals are known to be self-aware, the prime example being the chimpanzee with the red dot on the forehead, who looks in the mirror and then tries to wipe it away.[...]
Actually, there are at least two bird species that pass the Mirror Test... Pigeons and Corvids (although only the Eurasian Magpie was regularly tested among Corvids). Of the two, Pigeons are regarded as smarter... see here

The interesting point is that the behaviour you've captured shows that Pigeons are smarter than Peregrines... though they can't avoid one falling out of the sky towards them at great speed
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Actually, there are at least two bird species that pass the Mirror Test... Pigeons and Corvids (although only the Eurasian Magpie was regularly tested among Corvids). Of the two, Pigeons are regarded as smarter... see here

The interesting point is that the behaviour you've captured shows that Pigeons are smarter than Peregrines... though they can't avoid one falling out of the sky towards them at great speed
This Mirror Test wiki is great stuff - many thanks. Since I read a book on corvids I've already had lots of respect for magpies; it's pretty hard to get close shots. I've looked for more and found a Wiki entry on bird intelligence, including the observation "Cormorants used by Chinese fishermen that were given every eighth fish as a reward were found to be able to keep count up to seven" and this remark on pigeons:
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So we can't be 100% sure whether peregrines are self-aware. What I can confirm from my own city walks: they are very good in hunting pigeons.
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This Mirror Test wiki is great stuff - many thanks. Since I read a book on corvids I've already had lots of respect for magpies; it's pretty hard to get close shots. I've looked for more and found a Wiki entry on bird intelligence, including the observation "Cormorants used by Chinese fishermen that were given every eighth fish as a reward were found to be able to keep count up to seven" and this remark on pigeons:

The "Mirror Test" piece has a section "Criticism" which includes the following:

So we can't be 100% sure whether peregrines are self-aware. What I can confirm from my own city walks: they are very good in hunting pigeons.
Yes, it's all interesting stuff. I guess the other problem with knowing which animals are self-aware is whether we are really intelligent enough to design an accurate test... because I'm pretty sure Humans aren't as smart as we think we are

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