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Old Saturday 12th August 2017, 02:34   #51
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Edwin:

These are small pocket binoculars, just get out there and use it. I suppose you will need some
time to get acquainted.

Don't expect these small types to be as enjoyable and easy to use as larger binoculars.

That is not going to happen.

Enjoy in good health.

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Old Saturday 12th August 2017, 12:23   #52
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Edwin:

These are small pocket binoculars, just get out there and use it. I suppose you will need some
time to get acquainted.

Don't expect these small types to be as enjoyable and easy to use as larger binoculars.

That is not going to happen.

Enjoy in good health.

Jerry
Jerry,

Thank you for your somewhat guarded posts on the pocket compacts-they convinced me to start with the Terra to see if they are a value to my observing.
If I enjoy then, I can always move up to the Victory or CL --or be happy with what I have.
If I do not enjoy them, I have saved money and frustration on the more expensive pockets.

yes I do "need some time to get acquainted"

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Old Saturday 12th August 2017, 12:48   #53
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I don't use pocket bins if it looks like it will rain and in fact rarely use them outside. So in the car, the office window and so on.

If I wanted to take one out regularly then I would fit a rainguard and buy an appropriate aftermarket case for storage and transit protection. Zeiss do a nice Cordura case for 32mm binos which will have enough room for pocket binos and a cleaning cloth and your favourite gum.

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Old Saturday 12th August 2017, 13:51   #54
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If I enjoy then, I can always move up to the Victory or CL --or be happy with what I have.
If I do not enjoy them, I have saved money and frustration on the more expensive pockets.
I read a comparison on Cloudy nights that placed the Terra 25 above the CL in almost every area,from fit to Image quality,except a mm eye relief advantage for the CL and a shade brighter due to delivering 7.8X versus 8.2X for the terra...
The neck strap issue grows problematic as the size of binoculars decrease,I agree on that..when the bulk of the strap is bigger than the bulk of the binos and you aimed for ultimate compactness you feel strange..You want to have a strap or lanyard in case the bins need to be secured around the neck,but dont want it to be in the way ..I found the design of the strap lugs in my son's Pentax Papilio subcompacts to be a great solution..a quick release ,super integrated click-n-attach design that allows to fit or dettach the strap to the bins in a click..is a very good solution for small units..I appreciated the solution because I always thought that manufacturers are not very creative with the design of straps or strap lugs..They could create such elegant solutions with little thought and yet....
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Old Saturday 12th August 2017, 21:04   #55
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OK-this may be/is a dumb question, but how does one use these?

My pair of the 8x25 Terras arrived today-my first pocket binoculars-and realize these are a different animal from normal binoculars

I attached the neck strap, like I always do with binoculars but worried re sweat falling on the EPs which have no rain guards.
I could get optional rainguards but then will not fit in small case.
May be easier to hold without neck strap? wrist strap? no strap?
Pocket only would work-but I do not have pockets in the summer.

So, how does one use/carry the pocket compacts ?

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We each have an 8x25 CL-Pocket, which as you might know does not come with rainguards (boooo!!!). We like to carry them around our necks, but were also worried about stuff getting on the oculars. We purchased two rainguards made by Opticron. They fit perfectly. Very inexpensive as well. IIRC, you can see these at the Eagle Optics site.......
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Old Sunday 13th August 2017, 02:05   #56
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I own the 8x25 Terra and have recently had the opportunity to compare it to the 8x25 CL. While the Terra is a great value and the view punches above it's price for sure...the CL is on a different level - brighter, sharp, more contrasty, low CA and with a wonderfully easy view for a 25 mm. I could see myself using it as a primary birding bin if needed.

Of course, at nearly three times the price, it really should beat the Terra on most counts - and it does apart from some glare. It doesn't diminish the Terra in my eyes but does show just how good a 25 mm can really get.
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Old Sunday 13th August 2017, 17:28   #57
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Seems like the unitl of the CL reviewed in cloudy night was not perfectly collimated,..perhaps a case of less tan perfect unit meeting a cherry..
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Old Monday 14th August 2017, 02:23   #58
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I own the 8x25 Terra and have recently had the opportunity to compare it to the 8x25 CL. While the Terra is a great value and the view punches above it's price for sure...the CL is on a different level - brighter, sharp, more contrasty, low CA and with a wonderfully easy view for a 25 mm. I could see myself using it as a primary birding bin if needed.

Of course, at nearly three times the price, it really should beat the Terra on most counts - and it does apart from some glare. It doesn't diminish the Terra in my eyes but does show just how good a 25 mm can really get.
Totally agree. Terra is value, but doesn't compare.
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Old Wednesday 20th September 2017, 19:49   #59
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A month ago I wrote on this thread "I've had my Terra 8x25s for a year and the hinges are pretty loose. Makes them difficult to use. I've e-mailed Zeiss UK asking them if it's possible to tighten them. I'll let you know what they say."

I sent them back to the UK repair agents, and a month later, I was sent a brand new pair from Zeiss Germany with nice firm hinges. Pretty good customer service.

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Old Wednesday 20th September 2017, 21:35   #60
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Jeff..
I posted about this earlier in this thread but feel the need to bitch again......I sent my 8x25 into Zeiss USA 4 months ago.....same loose hinges issue...sounds like this is a design flaw if they cant fix the almost new unit...
they said they would be replacing them instead of fixing....but that they were waiting on a fresh shipment ....still waiting for them to replace it.....

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Old Sunday 25th February 2018, 23:38   #61
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Third time (and one year later) is the charm

My Zeiss 8x25 Terra situation seems now to be resolved. I received the (second) warranty replacement last week, have now had a chance to try them, and I think they are fine. The hinges are stiffer than either of the previous two units and work well, and the optics seem fine as well. The view is not as easy to acquire as my full-sized bins, which is to be expected for an 8x25, but they also seem a bit more sensitive to eye placement for minimizing aberrations than are my considerably smaller Leica 8x20 Ultravid BL. Even when perfectly aligned with my eyes, the view of this Zeiss is distinctly different in character from the Ultravid. The Zeiss has a generous sweet spot and the view is nicely contrasty, but it isn't as easy on my eyes. The Zeiss has very little curvature of field, but unfortunately it has a lot of astigmatism and CA off-axis, so it is neither sharp to the edges nor can the edges be brought into sharp focus. Consequently, for me the Ultravid has a larger sweet spot overall. If I can't get a sharp view edge to edge, I much prefer field curvature without much astigmatism to flat field with astigmatism, so I like the Ultravid better.

All in all, I think the Zeiss 8x25 Terra is superb for my purpose, which is to function as a kid's bin. For that, it is hard to beat given its lack of minimum IPD issues, good size for small hands (including easy to reach focus), 5 ft close focus limit (good for looking at insects, frogs, and other things that are nearby), reasonable exit pupil size (3 mm) and FOV (6.5 degrees, 357 ft) despite overall small size, and acceptable size eyecups for kids (and enough eye relief for glasses wearers).

Finally, I'll note that this new production unit appears (as best I can remember) to be the same design as the mk 2 unit that I received as a replacement for the somewhat different mk 1 unit that I originally purchased. However, the packaging is entirely different and much improved. Instead of coming in a large clear and white plastic case inside a generic white box, the 8x25 Terra now comes in an attractive cardboard box with magnetic closure. More importantly, instead of coming with a useless drawstring cloth pouch for storage, it now comes with a very practical (and properly fitting--not oversized like so many cases these days!) hardened clamshell with zipper closure and belt loop. The case also has a useless magnetic quick closure strap. I suppose it was put there to hold the clamshell closed while on the belt and with the bins out of the case, but all it really does is get in the way of zipping the case open and closed. It is easy to remove cleanly by snipping it off with hot (to melt the cut end so it doesn't fray) scissors. Likewise, although the supplied binocular strap is functional, I find it overly complicated with lots of little plastic bits, rings, couplers etc. Better just to remove all the end hardware (which can scratch lenses if the bin is not cased carefully) and pass the ends of the strap directly through the ends of the bin, sewing them back upon themselves for security. The strap can also be simplified and de-bulked a bit by slicing off the rubberized Zeiss logos.

All in all, I'm happy with the Zeiss 8x25 Terra and to have come to the end (for now!) of this warranty replacement saga.

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Old Monday 26th February 2018, 07:27   #62
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The original clear plastic box with a white base was designed to display the binos clearly when stacked up in what the USA calls 'big box stores' where most of the merchandise is left inside their cartons. With the clear plastic upper part, the Terras were always on display.

The magnetic closure strap on the carry-case is similar to the one on the SF case and when I want it out of the way I simply tuck the loose magnetic end down against its base on the back of the case and it stays there, trapped between the strap base and the back of the case. Maybe this is possible with the Terra case rather than resorting to permanent surgery.

Glad you got this sorted at last Alexis and I am surprised Zeiss doesn't do more the publicise the suitability of this model for kids for exactly the reasons you point out.

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Old Monday 26th February 2018, 15:41   #63
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I have one small glass I call the miniature, an LXL 8X20, I used to use out in the field, I can't get used to the small eye-cups, the optics are good for a 8X20 but.....just too small, so I have been using the FL 8X32, a great portable glass for observation. I don't have to pack that light, so the miniature is in the box.
I think Zeiss is going to have to work very hard to produce a new 8X32 the same size and beat the current FL in a 8X32.

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Old Tuesday 27th February 2018, 12:07   #64
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+1 on the suitability for kids.

Mine are 5 and 7 and are part a local nature club. I had initially purchased a Vortex Raptor 6.5x32 bin thinking that the compact size of this bino + lower magnification would be great for them but they both struggled with the focus mechanism and size (small in my hands, big in theirs).

After reading reviews on the Terra 8x25's I purchase a couple of these and the kids couldn't be happier. Much more usable friendly for them, more comfortable fit in their hands and much easier to focus as well.

And the quality of these binos is such that I expect they should last them well into their teenage yrs..

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Old Saturday 26th May 2018, 05:24   #65
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I just received my pair of 8X25 Terras. In my opinion, the build of these bins feels very chintzy compared to my other Zeiss bins. I have a pair of 8X42 Terras and a pair of 8X42 Conquests. The 8X42 Terras take the cake in terms of ergo and build quality. The Conquests are great optically, but have more than a few functional and build problems (play in the focuser, eyecups that do not extend nearly far enough). The 8X25 are certainly the worst in build. The focus wheel is very sticky and jerky. It's tough to get a good view often. Some of this is expected from a 25mm, but I just wanted to make clear that these are in no way of the same build quality of the larger models.
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Old Saturday 26th May 2018, 13:22   #66
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I gave one to my son when he went to Brazil a year and a half ago. It was meant to be for casual use and he has had no problem with it so far. He has had it with him in Manaus, on the Amazon River, in Belem and Aracaju and Sao Paulo and Salvador. He will be home in December and I will look it over.

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