Hi all,
I am sorry to post a photo of a captive bird but the ID is important to me. Photos are rather bad and overexposed and the bird was photographed end of July, which doesn´t make ID easier.
Best regards, Jörn
andyadcock and mods, I excuse for posting a captive bird, but in the past we have had a few other captive bird IDs over the years at BF in similar circumstances;
and while I agree it is not useful and in the meaning of BF to have zoo photos posted here, i think the ID of American whitewinged versus Velvet scoter isn´t a trivial one and this bird`s correct ID would at least help my and perhaps also some other people`s understanding.
I also think this is a different situation than closeup photos of active nests and eggs. That restriction is sensible. There would be a risk to derstroy a breeding, but you don´t have that with this bird.
This is not my captive bird, and will stay a captive bird no matter what I do.
So the photo in itself is not harming a bird in any way.
If this thread is still thought to be better removed, mods, you are free to do it.
While we are at the ID topic, andyadcock, you have given your ID thoughts to birds in about any bird family in the forum, so you surely also have an opinion here?
Velvet Scoter, reduced eye patch and just a slight bulge at bill base.
Yes, that´s the problem: the shape of the orange patch on the bill is much like Velvet, but the angle at the base of the upper mandible is closer to American Whitewinged. The eyepatch is again more like Velvet.
I put together this graphic earlier
On the last close-up, note the similarity of the shape of the nostril structure and its proximity to the rear edge of the orange bill patch compared to the adult drake White-winged Scoter (closer together than on Velvet).
Despite guidelines which say 'no captive birds', the mods seem to be ignoring the guideline regarding nests and eggs so why not......
Just off to the local arboretum, I'll post a dozen shots of what I find there for ID.
And who keeps a Scoter, how do you feed them!
Sorry to jump in here and bring Andy's point up again - but I agree with Andy!
And I've fallen foul of the rules myself on a couple of occasions but I've learnt from that
And Joern you seem like a nice person with an honest request BUT if a rule is in place that states NO RHUBARB PIES and you bring along a rhubarb pie for no matter what reason then you are breaking those rules.
I think we either have rules that are followed otherwise what is the point of those rules?
Whether it's for the members of a forum to vote on and change those rules is another thing, but whilst they are in place then we should all abide by them.
Again, it is a genuine request from an honest forum member but it IS breaking the rules.
So where do we go from here? Am I being unfair?