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Old Thursday 15th March 2007, 20:55   #1
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Faulty build with ED50 tripod mount?

Hi,

Just about to purchase an ED50 but notice two members (Dogfish and PDuxon) have reported the need for repairs to the tripod mount. Have any other users had this problem yet? If so, was it with an angled or straight version - just wondered if certain production batches might be involved or if it might be a broader problem perhaps caused by the scope carrying the weight of shoulder pods/monopods as opposed to sitting on a tripod.

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Old Tuesday 20th March 2007, 10:02   #2
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Dave,
I have just bought an angled ED50 which I am delighted with. Its my first scope and the performance seems fine, its so light and easy to carry and it does allow use of eye pieces on a bigger scope if i decide to make a further investment. Maybe its too early to make a judgement on the tripod mount but no problems so far.
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Old Tuesday 20th March 2007, 12:38   #3
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ED50 tripod base thread problems

I had a problem where the screw thread pulled out from the tripod mount which, without reading the other posts you referred to, is what I guess happened to Dogfish and PDuxon.

I got a quick replacement from WarehouseExpress without any fuss. I avoid using the straps on the ED50 case while there is a tripod or monopod mounted to the scope. When carrying the scope with monopod, I ensure I use straps attached to the monopod.

I have a tilting head on a Manfrotto Neotec monopod and I am VERY happy with this configuration, to the extent that I hardly use my ED82 these days!

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Hi,

Just about to purchase an ED50 but notice two members (Dogfish and PDuxon) have reported the need for repairs to the tripod mount. Have any other users had this problem yet? If so, was it with an angled or straight version - just wondered if certain production batches might be involved or if it might be a broader problem perhaps caused by the scope carrying the weight of shoulder pods/monopods as opposed to sitting on a tripod.

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Old Tuesday 20th March 2007, 15:29   #4
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I had a problem where the screw thread pulled out from the tripod mount which, without reading the other posts you referred to, is what I guess happened to Dogfish and PDuxon.
This is a bit worrying; it's happened to a few people now. The build quality of this part of the instrument is appalling; let all owners and would-be owners be warned. I had briefly carried the scope with a (v. light) Cullman shoulder pod attached, but never had a tripod dangling from it. My ED50 is with Nikon UK at present.

The optics are excellent, but if you can't attach the thing to a tri/mono/shoulder pod its usefulness is limited.


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Old Tuesday 20th March 2007, 16:13   #5
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the problem with mine happened when I put the delta IV tripod. been ok with the cullman shoulderpod on it.
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Old Tuesday 20th March 2007, 17:04   #6
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ED50 tripod mount

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Hi,

Just about to purchase an ED50 but notice two members (Dogfish and PDuxon) have reported the need for repairs to the tripod mount. Have any other users had this problem yet? If so, was it with an angled or straight version - just wondered if certain production batches might be involved or if it might be a broader problem perhaps caused by the scope carrying the weight of shoulder pods/monopods as opposed to sitting on a tripod.

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Hi

I have an ED50 and have mounted it on a tripod for quite a while with no problems at all, an excellent small scope.

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Old Tuesday 20th March 2007, 17:49   #7
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I have an ED50 and have mounted it on a tripod for quite a while with no problems at all, an excellent small scope.

Dave
Same here - since having a problem with a different scope in the past caused by my overtightening the tripod screw, I always now take extra care not to do so. Looking at my ED50 the tripod mount seems perfectly well made and secure.
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Old Tuesday 20th March 2007, 20:20   #8
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??ampo]Looking at my ED50 the tripod mount seems perfectly well made and secure.[/quote]

I looked at my ED50 and thought it looked great too, Steve. Then it fell apart. I think there's a problem with this bit of the scope, as several members of this forum can attest. The construction is of very soft, presumably cheap, metal, which simply 'unravels' under very little pressure. There's a revealing contrast between the superb build quality of Nikon's Japanese scopes in this regard and the made-in-China ED50.
I'd advise all ED50 owners to handle the tripod fitting very carefully.

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Old Tuesday 20th March 2007, 20:26   #9
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Thanks for the tip. I've had my scope quite a time and no problems so far at all but I'll now take extra care just in case. As I said, I did have a similar problem with another scope but on that one there was a small chrome-plated "thread within a thread", as it were, and all I needed to do was buy a new threaded sleeve. If the Nikon goes it is, presumably, going to be a factory repair (under warranty)?
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Old Wednesday 21st March 2007, 09:47   #10
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Nikon are in the process of fixing it at their Richmond HQ but are charging £41.

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Old Wednesday 21st March 2007, 10:36   #11
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Nikon are in the process of fixing it at their Richmond HQ but are charging £41.

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now that's curious. I took mine back to infocus and it was done free of charge
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Old Wednesday 21st March 2007, 11:52   #12
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Nikon are in the process of fixing it at their Richmond HQ but are charging £41.

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Surely it was still under Nikon's 10 year warranty?

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Old Wednesday 21st March 2007, 14:56   #13
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Surely it was still under Nikon's 10 year warranty?

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Probably should be, and I should have challenged it, but didn't. With hindsight, I probably should have taken it back to infocus, where I bought it.

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Old Wednesday 21st March 2007, 20:19   #14
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Probably should be, and I should have challenged it, but didn't. With hindsight, I probably should have taken it back to infocus, where I bought it.

Sean
It's clearly a warranty job and not chargeable. In Focus or Nikon is irrelevant - the warranty is clear.
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Old Thursday 22nd March 2007, 14:08   #15
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Thumbs down Nikon ED50 Tripod Mount

Hi Dave.
I have had two ED 50's and have had problems with the mount on both of them. The first one failed to tighten up properly on my monopod after only a short period and when removed the metal thread insert started to unwind. This was replaced for a new one by the retailer. The metal insert in the replacement completely unwound itself when being removed after only a couple of months light use. To me this is a bad design fault and unfortunately despite the quality of the optics I would not touch another one with a bargepole
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Old Thursday 22nd March 2007, 16:09   #16
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I really like these scopes and, ironically, decided to order one this morning from WExpress hoping that this was a problem with a small number of the units sold. Afterall, the positive endorsements equal the negatives on the thread so far and many users may have read this thread and not felt the need to respond because they are happy with their scope.
However, jimbo's experience on the back of the other replies in this thread has made me doubt the wisdom of this purchase. I wish Jimbo's post had been on this forum this morning before I ordered! There is a serious problem here that Nikon should address and Nikon retailers should be aware of it. I am serously considering sending the scope straight back and WE have confirmed that this is ok. What a shame!

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Old Thursday 22nd March 2007, 16:20   #17
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I've had no problem with mine and - when all is said and done - the fault will be repaired under warranty if needed. Maybe a phone call to Nikon would help allay your fears.
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Old Thursday 22nd March 2007, 16:41   #18
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I've had no problem with mine and - when all is said and done - the fault will be repaired under warranty if needed. Maybe a phone call to Nikon would help allay your fears.
Fair point Steve but I wonder what would happen if the scope came away from the mount in the field and became damaged in a fall. Would Nikon repair that kind of damage under guarantee when, arguably, that damage could be down to the negligence of the user? How would you demonstrate that the fault was down to a design fault?

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Old Thursday 22nd March 2007, 18:29   #19
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Fair point Steve but I wonder what would happen if the scope came away from the mount in the field and became damaged in a fall. Would Nikon repair that kind of damage under guarantee when, arguably, that damage could be down to the negligence of the user? How would you demonstrate that the fault was down to a design fault?

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Good point Dave, I was going to buy one but I have been put off by the build quality issue. I wonder if Swarovski etc will be bringing out a similar sized scope? Gareth
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Fair point Steve but I wonder what would happen if the scope came away from the mount in the field and became damaged in a fall. Would Nikon repair that kind of damage under guarantee when, arguably, that damage could be down to the negligence of the user? How would you demonstrate that the fault was down to a design fault?

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There's no doubt it would be covered. Not yours, Dave, but I think some of the comments in the thread are leaving reality behind.
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I've had my ED50 nearly a year & had no problems at all, fantastic little scope. I leave it attached to the qr plate for the Cullmann shoulder pod the whole time as this also fits the head of my Manfrotto 190.

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Old Thursday 22nd March 2007, 21:02   #22
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I wonder if Swarovski etc will be bringing out a similar sized scope? Gareth
My brother's ATS65HD, which he has owned for almost the same time as I have the ED50 has needed attention twice by Swaro. As good as they are, Swaro's are not exempt from build quality issues either!
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I don´t know anything about Consumer Law in the UK, but legislation here (which derives from the EU, and therefore must be similar to protection afforded consumers in the UK), is crystal clear. The Sale of Goods and Supply of Services Act 1980 makes it the seller´s responsibility to provided redress to the consumer in the case of a good sold that is unsuitable for the intended purpose or not of merchantable quality. That redress may be refund, repair or credit note, and it is the purchaser´s choice of the three (i.e. the shop can´t insist on giving only a repair or credit note if the consumer demands a refund). Online retailers are "sellers" under law, just like shops. I love my ED50 and have had no problems with it (yet!), but it´s always a good idea in the case of an expensive purchase to familiarise oneself with consumer legislation before going back to the retailer. Usually, if the retailer is fudging (or trying to shift responsiblility onto the manufacturer), simply quoting the relevant Act and a few provisions does the trick.... they don´t want the hassle with the Small Claims Court or the Director of Consumer Affairs. I´m sorry to turn this thread off topic, but I´m just trying to allay the fears of those who´ve already bought the product and wonder if they have redress: you have rights as a citizen and consumer, and the first step to getting them is knowing what they are. Check similar legislation in the UK (or wherever you live). It´s a crying shame that the ED50 is now tarnished with this obviously glaring and generalised defect, and I´d expect Nikon to get on the job pretty darn quick, especially after the praise that has been lavished on the ED´s recently on this forum (including by myself)!
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The first few posts that reported problems with the 50 mm ED's tripod mount didn't explain what problem they had, so I imagined it might involve the plastic foot detaching from the scope body. If anyone has had that problem, or something of equal seriousness, please let us know, because it appears from subsequent posts that the problem is a minor one involving the 3/8 to 1/4 inch thread converter.

If the problem is with the thread converter, I'd hardly consider it serious (sure, I realize that if you don't notice it coming free and the scope falls as a result it could have very serious consequences), or a genuine "build quality issue." Although I've never had a problem with the thread converter coils in my 50 ED or other Nikon scopes or camera equipment, coil-type thread converters aren't exactly famous for their reliability! But it isn't such a big deal when they go bad. You can reinsert it yourself if it isn't damaged, or just replace it with one of the more durable converters that are tubular in design (and use a thread-locking compound in either case).
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The first few posts that reported problems with the 50 mm ED's tripod mount didn't explain what problem they had, so I imagined it might involve the plastic foot detaching from the scope body. If anyone has had that problem, or something of equal seriousness, please let us know, because it appears from subsequent posts that the problem is a minor one involving the 3/8 to 1/4 inch thread converter.

If the problem is with the thread converter, I'd hardly consider it serious (sure, I realize that if you don't notice it coming free and the scope falls as a result it could have very serious consequences), or a genuine "build quality issue." Although I've never had a problem with the thread converter coils in my 50 ED or other Nikon scopes or camera equipment, coil-type thread converters aren't exactly famous for their reliability! But it isn't such a big deal when they go bad. You can reinsert it yourself if it isn't damaged, or just replace it with one of the more durable converters that are tubular in design (and use a thread-locking compound in either case).
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I have two spares kept in case it happens to me again - it wasn't my Nikon ED50 that failed but another scope. I put it down to my overzealously tightening the tripod plate screw.
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