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Geoff Pain
Rural Member
At first glance I'd say juvenile Grey Plover?
Edward woodwood
Member
prob just a goldie but could be an agp
Hmm, I think it mostly looks like a Golden Plover, although it seems quite short billed. Structurally it looks rather like an AGP but the plumage doesn't seem at all right. I suspect I'd probably just pass it off as a funny Goldie!
Edward woodwood
Member
angle of head is shortening bill a little
Jane Turner
Well-known member
I didn't see it.. About 10 years back someone came across it... it was ludicourously tame and was feeding on mudflats with Knot most of the time.
There is one other pic of it.
It was left as a funny Goldie at the time.. but every now and then I find the photos looking for something else and worry about it again!
This pic always looks very lightweight, while the other looks long-winged!
There is one other pic of it.
It was left as a funny Goldie at the time.. but every now and then I find the photos looking for something else and worry about it again!
This pic always looks very lightweight, while the other looks long-winged!
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CJW
Hit-and-run WUM
Looks OK for a PGP Jane, certainly long-winged and 'delicate-looking' enough. And the spotting looks small enough.
I don't think the bill length can be glibly explained away by 'forshortening', either.
But as you didn't see it, I don't suppose we can expect anything in the phonetics line or an description of the underwing.
I don't think the bill length can be glibly explained away by 'forshortening', either.
But as you didn't see it, I don't suppose we can expect anything in the phonetics line or an description of the underwing.
Jane Turner
Well-known member
Nope... the habits were pretty PGP too... but it doesn't look overly leggy..
Thought it was a intersting bird anyway
Thought it was a intersting bird anyway
I think a problem with Pacific GP might be the quite long primary projection. Presumably, if it was around for a while and quite co-operative, people would have seen the underwing and heard it call.
Jane Turner
Well-known member
and its already been named as 4 species 
Jane Turner
Well-known member
Fifebirder said:
No it was a single observer seen for a hour.. and it was unwilling/incapable of flying. I bet it was eaten by a fox overnight.
I shoud check that all the tertials are there!
Michael Frankis
conehead
How about a hybrid, then? - that opens up another 6 possibilities :-OCJW said:
Michael
Edward woodwood
Member
watcha Chris
the bill is fore-shortened. Fact. Nowt glib about it.
...and PGP's have longer (and heavier) not shorter bills than goldies anyway. A short-billed 'goldie-type' is even less likely to be anything else
tertial notching more like a goldie and tertial, prims and tail structure don't really suggest PGP (more AGP if anything)
short-legged too. In the absence of any concrete features pointing otherwise and the bill, legs and structure pointing to a goldie - it's prob just a goldie
the bill is fore-shortened. Fact. Nowt glib about it.
...and PGP's have longer (and heavier) not shorter bills than goldies anyway. A short-billed 'goldie-type' is even less likely to be anything else
tertial notching more like a goldie and tertial, prims and tail structure don't really suggest PGP (more AGP if anything)
short-legged too. In the absence of any concrete features pointing otherwise and the bill, legs and structure pointing to a goldie - it's prob just a goldie
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Edward woodwood
Member
any other opinions on this?....i think a quite a few missed it.....
Hi all,
I think that it must have been a slightly odd Golden Plover:the short legs and short bill aren't right for the two 'lesser golden plovers',the position of the tertials in relation to the tail tip is wrong for Pacific,with the primary projection on the long side for that species,but this would be on the shorter end for American,which is usually also a duller,greyer bird than this.
Harry H
I think that it must have been a slightly odd Golden Plover:the short legs and short bill aren't right for the two 'lesser golden plovers',the position of the tertials in relation to the tail tip is wrong for Pacific,with the primary projection on the long side for that species,but this would be on the shorter end for American,which is usually also a duller,greyer bird than this.
Harry H
Michael Frankis
conehead
I'm with Harry - European Golden. As well as Harry's points, it looks too thick-set and big-headed, not sleek enough for AGP or PGP.
Michael
Michael
Jane Turner
Well-known member
It remains a Gldie offcialy.. but as I say, periodically I worry about it!
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