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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrankD" data-source="post: 1475743" data-attributes="member: 18544">Just an update....I have been fairly content in switching back and forth between the Meade 5000 series Plossl and the William Optics SWAN both in 20 mm. Just when I think one is superior to the other I end up finding something else to like about each.But, anyway, to stop months of second-guessing myself I ordered the Pentax XW 20 mm again. I am going to compare it directly to these other two to really see how they compare directly. If it is close then the Pentax is going back. If it isn't close then I am going to be selling the other 2 20 mm eyepieces and the three Knight Owl EWAs. I can live with just one good 20 mm eyepiece and an inexpensive zoom for the type of birding I do with the scope.On another note I see that Orion now has a fairly high-end zoom available. I saw it in the latest catalog. I might order one to see how it works in the Pentax 65. Price was in the high $200s IIRC.</blockquote>