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<blockquote data-quote="Ghostly Vision" data-source="post: 284532" data-attributes="member: 11550"><p>Was in Eastern Turkey in 1985 at a site that supposedly had Dalmatian pelicans and Crimson-winged finches.</p><p></p><p>A flock of birds was found on the edge of a lake, and we identified them as CWF's. I distinctly remember at the time that they didn't look anything like I had expected. There was nothing at all similar though, so that's what they had to be. After all, they had pink in the wings.</p><p></p><p>Looking in the field guide later that evening, I realised that even the males didn't have black crowns. This left me somewhat flummoxed, but the birds remained on my list.</p><p></p><p>Only a few short years later some high quality Dutch or scandinavian birders discovered Mongolian Trumpeter finches in Eastern Turkey. This was a bird unkown to me at the time. When I saw a photo of one I immediately knew what the birds that we saw were .</p><p></p><p>Unfortunately, I am not sure to this day where that place was, or if it is the same as the site where the MTF's are seen regularly - we could well have discovered a new site that pre-dated the well-known one.</p><p></p><p>There is a very serious lesson here - don't always accept an identification if it doesn't seem quite right. You might, by a bit of detective work, find a new species for a country!!!</p><p></p><p>GV</p><p></p><p>ps - a moral dilemma for me there also; I know what those birds were, and I know they weren't Crimson-winged, but can I tick it??</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ghostly Vision, post: 284532, member: 11550"] Was in Eastern Turkey in 1985 at a site that supposedly had Dalmatian pelicans and Crimson-winged finches. A flock of birds was found on the edge of a lake, and we identified them as CWF's. I distinctly remember at the time that they didn't look anything like I had expected. There was nothing at all similar though, so that's what they had to be. After all, they had pink in the wings. Looking in the field guide later that evening, I realised that even the males didn't have black crowns. This left me somewhat flummoxed, but the birds remained on my list. Only a few short years later some high quality Dutch or scandinavian birders discovered Mongolian Trumpeter finches in Eastern Turkey. This was a bird unkown to me at the time. When I saw a photo of one I immediately knew what the birds that we saw were . Unfortunately, I am not sure to this day where that place was, or if it is the same as the site where the MTF's are seen regularly - we could well have discovered a new site that pre-dated the well-known one. There is a very serious lesson here - don't always accept an identification if it doesn't seem quite right. You might, by a bit of detective work, find a new species for a country!!! GV ps - a moral dilemma for me there also; I know what those birds were, and I know they weren't Crimson-winged, but can I tick it?? [/QUOTE]
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