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<blockquote data-quote="Theo98" data-source="post: 3290967" data-attributes="member: 132099"><p><strong>To Porro or Not to Porro...?</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>After owning a descent bushnell 12x50 for the past 30 years ($100 back then), I decided to see for myself if the latest alpha porro offerings sweetened up their different "porro-like 3D view" in reference to the current, engineering advanced, fully multi-coated alpha roof optics available today.</p><p></p><p><strong>3D GAME ON</strong>!</p><p><span style="color: Indigo"><strong>In the "P" corner</strong></span>: various powered vintage Porros to play with (Sears-4, Jason Statesman, Manon, Bushnell) and the latest breed, a Yosemite BX-1, a Habicht 8x30 W and a Habicht 10x40 W GA.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: Red"><strong>In the "R" corner</strong></span>: The latest Roof 8x32 BX-3 Mojave (my choice after M7's, CL's, and SV's comparisons), a BX-3 Mojave 10x42 and of course, the EL 10x50 SV.</p><p></p><p>After collimating a couple of the Sears and spending detailed time to set IPDs, diopters and sharp focuses, spent 3-4 hrs each day this past week glassing with 12 pair of binos (pre-dawn through sunrise, various daylight times\lighting conditions and sunset through post-dusk lighting scenarios). Seems like a complicated comparative study, but in truth, a simple task of just being attentive to the 3D aspect of each optical instrument's presentation.</p><p></p><p><strong>OPTICAL WARNING</strong>: <u>My Vision, My Brain, My Findings - Your Discoveries Could\Will Differ: </u></p><p>Not surprising, All of the porros exhibited a 3D aspect that were a little greater than the roofs (from 25m to 100m viewings). Well, you might consider that more pleasing and natural (as Henry stated above). However, to me what Was Surprising in <u>all 10 of the porros</u>, I <u>sensed</u> a Definite Vertical Compression in the FOV, as if the image was being squeezed from above and below. The <u>FOV</u>'s felt as if looking through a 40-50mm tube (but didn't look that way). It's hard to describe this weird feeling, but ever pair of poros (including the Habicht's) gave me immediate eye strain as I tried to consciously stabilize the effect I was sensing. Glassing for longer than 2-3 minutes with each would start up a headache (I know, a head like mine should hurt). 3<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>When I'd switch to one of the 3 roofs, the eye strains immediately subsided and a relaxed, comfortable view would take over, <em><u>Especially</u></em> when going to the 10x50 SV's (just like Robert described above)! I can steadily glass for as long as my arms hold up with these roofs and have -Zero- eye strain or fatigue! All 3 of the roofs, again Especially the 10x50's, present a FOV, DOF and perfect "very natural" spacial dimension that is as close to being there, but in an immersive view that is 8 to 10 times closer than my normal sight! I can easily feel and see the Stereopsis of the roofs that for me, carries no eye strain! :t: </p><p></p><p>I know weird, but for Me, the eye strain issues and the small incremental 3D enhancement of the "Porro Like" view has been Suspect! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Ted</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Theo98, post: 3290967, member: 132099"] [b]To Porro or Not to Porro...?[/b] After owning a descent bushnell 12x50 for the past 30 years ($100 back then), I decided to see for myself if the latest alpha porro offerings sweetened up their different "porro-like 3D view" in reference to the current, engineering advanced, fully multi-coated alpha roof optics available today. [B]3D GAME ON[/B]! [COLOR="Indigo"][B]In the "P" corner[/B][/COLOR]: various powered vintage Porros to play with (Sears-4, Jason Statesman, Manon, Bushnell) and the latest breed, a Yosemite BX-1, a Habicht 8x30 W and a Habicht 10x40 W GA. [COLOR="Red"][B]In the "R" corner[/B][/COLOR]: The latest Roof 8x32 BX-3 Mojave (my choice after M7's, CL's, and SV's comparisons), a BX-3 Mojave 10x42 and of course, the EL 10x50 SV. After collimating a couple of the Sears and spending detailed time to set IPDs, diopters and sharp focuses, spent 3-4 hrs each day this past week glassing with 12 pair of binos (pre-dawn through sunrise, various daylight times\lighting conditions and sunset through post-dusk lighting scenarios). Seems like a complicated comparative study, but in truth, a simple task of just being attentive to the 3D aspect of each optical instrument's presentation. [B]OPTICAL WARNING[/B]: [U]My Vision, My Brain, My Findings - Your Discoveries Could\Will Differ: [/U] Not surprising, All of the porros exhibited a 3D aspect that were a little greater than the roofs (from 25m to 100m viewings). Well, you might consider that more pleasing and natural (as Henry stated above). However, to me what Was Surprising in [U]all 10 of the porros[/U], I [U]sensed[/U] a Definite Vertical Compression in the FOV, as if the image was being squeezed from above and below. The [U]FOV[/U]'s felt as if looking through a 40-50mm tube (but didn't look that way). It's hard to describe this weird feeling, but ever pair of poros (including the Habicht's) gave me immediate eye strain as I tried to consciously stabilize the effect I was sensing. Glassing for longer than 2-3 minutes with each would start up a headache (I know, a head like mine should hurt). 3:-) When I'd switch to one of the 3 roofs, the eye strains immediately subsided and a relaxed, comfortable view would take over, [I][U]Especially[/U][/I] when going to the 10x50 SV's (just like Robert described above)! I can steadily glass for as long as my arms hold up with these roofs and have -Zero- eye strain or fatigue! All 3 of the roofs, again Especially the 10x50's, present a FOV, DOF and perfect "very natural" spacial dimension that is as close to being there, but in an immersive view that is 8 to 10 times closer than my normal sight! I can easily feel and see the Stereopsis of the roofs that for me, carries no eye strain! :t: I know weird, but for Me, the eye strain issues and the small incremental 3D enhancement of the "Porro Like" view has been Suspect! ;) Ted [/QUOTE]
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