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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chosun Juan" data-source="post: 3474969" data-attributes="member: 92780">Jerry,I won't be playing your reindeer games .... o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />Nor will I indulge any strawman arguments .....Would you say that Elon Musk needed 5 years+ of electric golf cart ownership before putting together the Tesla electric car revolution?!! ...... :smoke:This is not rocket science,  beyond using a bin for a length of time to guage fatigue, handling, etc, and using it in all ways - snap viewing, or more leisurely alignment, and in all conditions, all angles, etc - to check CA handling, distortion profile interaction with yer noggin, dof, focusing suitability, glare handling, brightness and colour renditions through the hours of the day (and night), and seasons - there's not a great deal more to learn, other than maintenance, upkeep issues, service, product lifecycles, and depreciation and resale --- there's really not a whole lot to it.   :cat:There's no need to be a part of some owner's club in order to be able to "see", in fact I would suggest that extended ownership only serves to dull the responses as one unwittingly grows accustomed to the compromises, faults, and shortcomings. Let's face it, heavy is heavy and just about all 50mm and + bins are heavy, no matter how many times you pick it up - it's never going to really get any lighter!   |^|I am puzzled that you find my opening post here unusual .... but please, don't tell us more about that .....Zeiss has no current 50mm offering. The old A-K Conquests are archived as legacy items.Some here think that the market for a 50mm would be limited, yet all agree that they either love their 10x50 SV's,  and/or would appreciate a lighter 50mm.  Didn't one of your famous, veteran US birders exclusively use a beat up old pair of 10x50's ???    .....   :smoke:The fact remains that there is a market space there, and I think that a lightweight (~800gram), flat, 70° AFov wide field, 18mm ER, would create it's own larger segment .... :king:As you can see, I'm not the only one who "needs nines"  !    :-O<a href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NaX7i1Q7-Rw" target="_blank">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NaX7i1Q7-Rw</a>(credit to Mark for first digging this up)  <a href="http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=239406&highlight=need+nines" target="_blank">http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=239406&highlight=need+nines</a> Chosun   :gh:</blockquote>

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