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Message: <blockquote data-quote="black kite 1964" data-source="post: 1723318" data-attributes="member: 81930">Just not a fan of leica stuff. Put off by friends who have had problems with AP0 77 and lens problems. Also with tales of Leica after sales is on balance pretty poor when compared to swaro. Having said that, I  understand that there are very few ultravid returns.As for the new scope, looked through one at birdfair- very impressed. Looked through one at Cley Spey on first release - I think it was a dud - washed out optics and difficult to focus across the range. The only other one I looked through in the field had the same problem. No doubt I will be put in my place by leica fans!Currently use zeiss 8x32 fls and Swaro HD 65. Will not be changing in a hurry! Do fancy looking through the 8x32 nixon Se's. I suspect I will be impressed!:cat:</blockquote>