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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mosca" data-source="post: 1743223" data-attributes="member: 69162">Thank you to everyone who has posted <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />All feedback is helpful and very nice of you, also extremely helpful.The links and suggestions have enabled a bit of homework too (that is a good thing by-the-way). I can be very hard to see our own picture as it is, as we spend so much time looking at it through our planned perception our vision can become warped. Which is odd considering normally we spend so much time trying to see things as they really are.:eek!: :-Cor to put it another way, You can't always see the wood for the trees B <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />:t:Anyhoo, the bestmoscaRussB  I have been using grades H6to B8 and a very large ball of putty rubber. There are others here who are better to advice you on paper but for these  drawings I have been using  370g/m untextured water colour paper.</blockquote>