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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mosca" data-source="post: 1776436" data-attributes="member: 69162">LOL, well this is certainly the place to come if you are feeling a bit insecure about a picture. Thanks very much for the kind and encouraging words. :t:I think I have found a compromise with the background of the duck picture. Most of it is not factual and the technique is very scruffy in a controled disorganised kind of way.colleenc, I forgot to say thank's for the Birge Harrison book recommendation. I've not finished it but it is lovely to read.hunterpaul,I'm pleased you said that about the colour. One of my main aims recently has been to try to describe colour with graphite. I thought it worked ok with the chaffinch so tried a predominantly black bird (Ring ouzel) to see if I could get the black and white contrasts while still including detail.As the Robin is so famous for its red breast I thought it a good opportunity to draw it grey and see if it would still look red breast-ish.</blockquote>