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Message: <blockquote data-quote="nickderry" data-source="post: 1776459" data-attributes="member: 12328">interesting idea to imitate colour with monochrome, obviously I'm biased, but I don't think it is possible, monochrome being a part of the colour scale. It's like trying to play a piece of music with different notes. At first glance, I thought the robin was a black redstart (obviously, looking properly after it is clearly a monochrome robin), as I read the breats and the back as the same colour, whereas in reality, they are just the same tone. I've always wondered about using monochrome to describe different colours of the same tonal values on a bird. I remember drawing woodpigeons in black and white, using hatching in different directions to at least separate the breast from the back, which tonally is very similar. Being honest, I find monochrome very difficult - I'm ok with black paint, pencil and biro, but line drawing is witchcraft to me.</blockquote>