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Message: <blockquote data-quote="brocknroller" data-source="post: 3228922" data-attributes="member: 665">Bill,That's quite an adventure for a "Newb," assuming that means what I think it does. Plus, the trip must have cost a pretty penny, so having affordable priced bins put the money where it was most needed - in the trip. I had the same experience (except not in South America) with the 8x30 M7 as you did, i.e., I could induce a crescent only under extreme conditions, but too many others have reported veiling glare to write off my experience as being typical. Having experienced veiling glare galore with the first gen. ZR 7x36 ED2, I know well how it can interfere with birding. So if others have had a similar experience with defective sample M7s, I can understand why they would gripe about it. Even at $400, a bin shouldn't exhibit a disturbing level of veiling glare. Some might exaggerate the problem, but Frank D. is an honest guy and if he reported veiling glare, I believe him. He also showed convincing photos of the bare metal parts in the objective housing, which were painted gray in the sample I tried. Anyway, I'm glad your sample worked well for you, it could have been a ruined trip if that was the only bin you bought and it showed veiling glare galore. Did you visit San Vicente in southern Bolivia? It was the town where Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid died in 1908 (or allegedly died, their bodies were never positively identified, and it appears they were shot at close range in the head, and there were only three soldiers, the police chief, the local mayor and some of his officials, not an entire cavalry unit like in the movie, so it's very suspicious since they shot their way out of more dangerous situations than that). I doubt if I will ever visit Bolivia to complete my research for my straight-to-Bantam-paperback book, titled, Butch and Sundance: The Suicide Pact, but if I did, I think I would take two bins with me, one as a back-up in case Bandidos Yanquis stole the other. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />Brock</blockquote>

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