A Pug (1 Viewer)

[Jamie D]

Hi,

things are still very quiet on Teesside with an average of 1 moth a day from the two traps so I am trying to use the spare time to improve my pug ID. My first attempt isn't going well as I find the Pug book hard to use and the pictures to small so I would appreciate it if someone could let me know what the following is as it doesn't seem right for brindled. The wind span is 20mm and it was caught a couple of days ago on Teesside,

Any comments appreciated,

Regards,
Jamie

 

[Brian Stone]

More pugs! Any conifers about? Could it be Ochreous Pug (Eupithecia indigata)? Doesn't seem to sit right for that though. Not one I've ever seen.

 

[SHowarth]

Two more pugs

Whilst we are on the subject of pugs, here are two which I caught last night. Always a group I have trouble with so I thought I would enlist some help. Pug 2 was bigger than Pug 1 but I don't have precise measurements for either (they were a bit too frisky for that).

 

[MikeWall]

Whilst we are on the subject of pugs, here are two which I caught last night. Always a group I have trouble with so I thought I would enlist some help. Pug 2 was bigger than Pug 1 but I don't have precise measurements for either (they were a bit too frisky for that).

Hmm. THe second's Brindled - the first less certain...Dwarf?

 

[harry eales]

Hi,

things are still very quiet on Teesside with an average of 1 moth a day from the two traps so I am trying to use the spare time to improve my pug ID. My first attempt isn't going well as I find the Pug book hard to use and the pictures to small so I would appreciate it if someone could let me know what the following is as it doesn't seem right for brindled. The wind span is 20mm and it was caught a couple of days ago on Teesside,

Any comments appreciated,

Regards,
Jamie

It is unfortunate that almost all the illustrations of British Pug Moths show the specimens life size or smaller. What is really needed are illustrations of these (sometimes) awkward species to be published showing these species at twice or three times lifesize.

Most people use South, Skinner, Riley & Prior, or Waring and Townsend to ID their specimens.

There is however another book, An Identification Guide to the British Pugs published by the British Entomological and Natural History Society in 1981.

It is now a scarce item, and not often seen outside specialist booksellers stocklists. It is well worth buying if you can find a copy. It has been out of print for several years and no stocks are left in the hands of the publishing society. I can recommend it, and should you come across a copy, snap it up.

Harry

 

[Jamie D]

Hi,

thanks for the input. I have heard about the other pug book before but I have never seen a copy. Are the pictures any larger than the current pug book as I find the photo's in that to small and when you look at them closely the printing quality does not stand up to magnification. Does anyone know if there is a digital copy of the old pug book around so it can be downloaded?

Regards,
Jim

 

[harry eales]

Hi,

thanks for the input. I have heard about the other pug book before but I have never seen a copy. Are the pictures any larger than the current pug book as I find the photo's in that to small and when you look at them closely the printing quality does not stand up to magnification. Does anyone know if there is a digital copy of the old pug book around so it can be downloaded?

Regards,
Jim

Hello Jim,
Ref. An Identification Guide to the British Pugs, the colour plates appear to me to be of a better quality than in Riley and Prior, but they're not much larger than life size either, unfortunately. Under a lens they do appear to be a better quality printing with more dpi.

I haven't heard of a digital copy being available and it would have to have been done by the British Entomological and Natural History Society to be legal as the copywrite won't expire for another 30 or so years.

I found my copy through www.abebooks.com

You can join the site free of charge and once a member, you can put up 'Want Adds' In theory, you will be notified by Email whenever a copy of what your looking for becomes available at any one of some 13,000 bookshops world wide. It is a good way of finding books you may otherwise look for for years. There is no compulsion to buy, you are just told it's available. Most of the British booksellers will accept credit or debit card payments by phone.

Harry.

Edit. There is a copy on abebooks.com at the moment Price is about £9.00 plus postage. see:-

http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet...+identification+guide+to+the+british+pugs&x=0

British Pugs, 1981. An identification guide to the British Pugs
Lepidoptera: Geometridae. The Genera Eupithecia Curtis, Chloroclystis Hübner, Gymnoscelis Mabille and Anticollix Prout. 1981. 42 p., 20 (4 col.) pls, cloth
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[Jamie D]

Harry,

thanks for that. I have purchased that copy. I didn't fancy waiting 45 days for it so I've gone for air mail at $22.56 as its ages since I have had a new book. Hopefully my pug ID will improve a bit....

Regards,
Jamie

 

[harry eales]

Harry,

thanks for that. I have purchased that copy. I didn't fancy waiting 45 days for it so I've gone for air mail at $22.56 as its ages since I have had a new book. Hopefully my pug ID will improve a bit....

Regards,
Jamie

Hello Jamie,

Ouch, that's a bit steep, I would have tried to negociate a cheaper delivery charge as it's a lightish item, although I note that that copy was cloth bound rather than the paperback (original) cover as on my copy. Still it must be nice to be rich. One advantage of having a copy, is that it will always appreciate in value, provided you don't use it as a coaster for your coffee cup. lol.

Harry

 

[Jamie D]

Hi,

just found out they had already sold that copy so I guess I will have to keep looking....

Regards,
Jamie

 

[harry eales]

Hi,

just found out they had already sold that copy so I guess I will have to keep looking....

Regards,
Jamie

Hello Jamie,
Sods Law often applies when your looking for books, dealers advertise them, sell them and forget to take them off the website, been there, done that, etc.
I'll keep looking for another copy and will inform you by PM if I come across one. But don't hold your breath. lol.

Harry