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Message: <blockquote data-quote="rockfowl" data-source="post: 1706494" data-attributes="member: 64295">Hey Matt!It does look peaked doesn't it, but I think, when relaxed they can appear rather soft and rounded - <a href="http://ibc.lynxeds.com/photo/great-black-headed-gull-larus-ichthyaetus/great-black-headed-gull-adult-summer-lesser-crested-" target="_blank">http://ibc.lynxeds.com/photo/great-black-headed-gull-larus-ichthyaetus/great-black-headed-gull-adult-summer-lesser-crested-</a>Also, grab the image and enlarge, the head would look shallower if the area where the forehead meets the bill had attained the summer black, not quite full yet.It's far too large IMO Chris to consider the smaller gulls. Relict can appear rather chunky but never as big as this bird appears to the LWHG's to the left. In my experience, some of the Sibe' LWHG can be large gulls indeed, even so, this bird is not that small in comparison to its associatesLengths from Olsen - Pallas's 57-61cm,  Caspian (inc Mongolian) 56-68cm Herring complex similar to latter. The wing pattern looks okay to me though perhaps not as much white from the primary base, almost as if some retained 2nd summer though I'd prefer more images to be clear about this. Grab the image and enlarge Laurie, the visible leg looks orange on my monitor.I don't know anything about hybrid gulls, I find them hard enough anyway. Just thought, it's better to start from the obvious (hence runt) and then work back. Pallas's x Relict - Now that would be interesting!</blockquote>

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