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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bob A (SD)" data-source="post: 1565593" data-attributes="member: 55645">Dennis,  I share your sentiments and frankly do not understand what John Traynor's laughing is all about.  I do understand our friend's (from a bit further north of me) complaints although he too tends to throw the baby out with the bathwater in his condemnation of these bins.  Elsewhere some decent detective work seems to point to individual facial physical characteristics as significant contributing factors to glare/flare susceptibility.  Your optics comments are basically what I posted when comparing the ED2 7x36 to my Swaro 7x42B SLCs.  I felt the Zens trumped the Swaro's with weight, close focus, and FOV, but lost by narry a hair in edges and the proportional size of the sweet spot.  Clarity, color rendition, starry nights visual observations, etc all queued up as indistinguishable.    I feel sorry for those plagued by the glare / flare issue to the point where they class the bins as unusable.  Most all did favorable comment on the remaining aspects of these bins including the optical views.</blockquote>