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Message: <blockquote data-quote="brocknroller" data-source="post: 3220890" data-attributes="member: 665">After seeing Frank's photos, I did the same thing to the M7 sample I was using and didn't see any bare metal parts, but there was something tubular, maybe glue that "snaked" along one of the baffles that while painted, didn't have a matte finish but rather gloss finish.Even so, the glare suppression was very good. So it's surprising that yours is painted and still suffers from glare to the point of getting "wash outs." I could induce a "gray crescent" but only when pointing close to the sun. Maybe there's more than just painted parts contributing to the veiling glare issue?After reading stories like yours, I regret not doing a cash + trade deal for that "cherry" sample M7 for my 8x32 SE, which someone offered me. I ended up selling the SE anyway to pay some steep vet bills. The SE was better overall and I much prefer the 3-D image of Porros, however, the eyecups were very uncomfortable, and while I did not experience image blackouts the degree some others have, the view was not as "easy" as the EII or M7. So in this case, "user friendliness" outweighed "the best" optics. Someone has in his signature, "It's all about the view." Ergonomics, eyegonomics, handling, balance, focusing smoothness and speed, and weight also enter into the "picture" for me. The view is certainly of primary importance, but a "fatal flaw" in one of the other areas can end up being a deal breaker. Bad veiling glare could be such a flaw in the view. Brock</blockquote>

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