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ChrisKten

It's true, I quite like Pigeons
Just so that there's no chance of someone making a potentially life-changing mistake:

Does anyone know what the Police would advise? Would the Police advise approaching and challenging this person? Or would the Police advise you report, and if possible, record the incident?

Just curious.
 

Adam W

Well-known member
Just so that there's no chance of someone making a potentially life-changing mistake:

Does anyone know what the Police would advise? Would the Police advise approaching and challenging this person? Or would the Police advise you report, and if possible, record the incident?

Just curious.

Most definatley they would advise you not to approach them,99.9% of legal shooters are responsible law abiding people(or they wouldnt onw guns) but you dont know its a legal shooter until its too late.
 

ChrisKten

It's true, I quite like Pigeons
Most definatley they would advise you not to approach them,99.9% of legal shooters are responsible law abiding people(or they wouldnt onw guns) but you dont know its a legal shooter until its too late.

Pretty much as I anticipated, Adam.

There are thousands of people that read the posts on this forum, some are quite young; so I just wanted to make the point that approaching someone who is in possession of a gun is NOT a sensible thing to do, no matter what the circumstances.
 

Adam W

Well-known member
Pretty much as I anticipated, Adam.

There are thousands of people that read the posts on this forum, some are quite young; so I just wanted to make the point that approaching someone who is in possession of a gun is NOT a sensible thing to do, no matter what the circumstances.

Sound advice i would say, very unlikely anything would happen but not worth the risk.
 

Jos Stratford

Beast from the East
I dont know wether to laugh or cry.

I am wrong to ....

However i'm also wrong to ...


.... make youre mind up you cant have it both ways.

You may choose whether to laugh or cry.

I don't wish to have it both ways, nor one way or the other - the point made, as a later poster explained, is that there is not a single actual fact known about this case, if the case even happened. We can assume whatever we want, it is mere heresay and refects little above our own prejudices and opinions.



i should think it extremely unlikely that the person with the gun was doing something illegal

Again as we actually know nothing about this case, this is merely your take on the situation, maybe it is correct, equally it could be wrong. Just as you think it quite reasonable to consider the 'attacker' was a birder, I think it reasonable to consider that he may have decided to shoot more than just the one Cormorant he had license to shoot.
 

DunnoKev

Guest
Chris asked for police advice, Adam - are you speaking on behalf of the police?

Although I'm probably no more qualified to speak on behalf of the boys in blue than Adam, I'll risk seeing if you're happy in having it confirmed second-hand again Tim.

Having worked with several Police Wildlife Liaison Officers in the past, they'll always advise you not to challenge anyone, yet alone those apparently shooting illegally. Even down to doddery-looking egg thieves, just in case they lamp you one with their walking stick (which they usually only carry for grass parting and skull parting in an emergency).

If your local constabulary has a good wildlife Dept., make sure you carry a direct contact number, and use that if you want an immediate response on a wildlife crime. (After all, they have targets to hit just like the rest of the Force). If you have to ring 'normal' plod in an emergency you might find, as I have done a couple of times, you might find they have absolutely no knowledge of their specialist Dept and certainly won't divert bodies to a minor criminal offence, unless there is an assault and/or a weapon involved. (That was Kent, yours might be better.)

The best course is to collect evidence. O.K. they might get away with what they're doing, but often to get the person prosecuted fully the crime does actually have to take place so you have to grit your teeth about that. I've had to put up with things like watching barn owl chicks taken, hares coursed and badgers dug out over the years, and only some of them were ever done. But when it does work, it's worth it.
 

deborah4

Well-known member
Adam said:
Its fair enough to say i cant make assumptions but not at the sametime as making the assumption that the angler/shooter could well be guilty of something just because he's one of those nasty angler/shooters.

Adam said:
I have said all along that it may not have been a birder and as a fellow birder i would love to think it wasnt

Great, but, hang on ..

Its not at all unreasonable to consider it as a possibilty something i as a birder am happy to do.
:h?:

The problem i have it the fact so many people on here seem unwilling to accept it may have been a birder ...they dont want to admitt that 'one of us' could do such a thing or they dont want to be seen to be taking the side of an angler/shooter over that of a birder.

AdamW said:
Also i should think it extremely unlikely that the person with the gun was doing something illegal and we are yet to hear about,i'm quite sure numerous people would have lept at the opertunity to publicise that fact.

Adam said:
We can make the assumption because the incident would not have been reported if he knew he was in the wrong aswell, if he had been stupid enough to do so it would have been found out that he was in the wrong and that most definatley would have been publicised,the RSPB probably heading the queue waiting to do so


COR... MOR(e) ... RANTS
- about as 'impartial' as the original article in the A.T

http://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=57859
 

joannec

Well-known member
.................... that there is not a single actual fact known about this case, if the case even happened. We can assume whatever we want, it is mere heresay and refects little above our own prejudices and opinions.


Pretty amazing, this thread is 9 pages long, over 200 posts and 'not a single actual fact known about this case, if the case even happened'. This must be some kind of BF record.3:)
 

rosbifs

Well-known tool
France
Some facts did emerge part way through the thread to support the attack and that the police we investigating. Can't really be bothered to flick back through though...

Might have to put it to bed rather than carping on...

The thread has lost its punch...
 

PYRTLE

Old Berkshire Boy
Having worked with several Police Wildlife Liaison Officers in the past, they'll always advise you not to challenge anyone, yet alone those apparently shooting illegally.

Slightly off track but last autumn a visiting cornishman to Holkham, reported to me of an incident at or very nearby to Holkham Dunes, late one evening when shotguns were discharged at birds, quite close to him on a public footpath. I duly told him to contact Wells police and ask for the P.W.L.O. This he duly did and was somewhat surprised when he found out it was the local p.w.l.o. doing the shooting (legally I was informed by Kernow person)with his chums. One unhappy cornishman!
 

Adam W

Well-known member
Not relavent to this thread but Chris if you see this what happened to the thread you started just out of interest? i had to go out just after you posted and when i came back the thread had dissapeared, i wasnt expecting much sympathy but removing the thread seems to judt support the point you were trying to make.
I've posted this here because i dont know how to start a thread( i'm useless with computers)
 

ChrisKten

It's true, I quite like Pigeons
It's here, Adam, but not for long. You have to edit your preferences to be able to see threads in the Ruffled Feathers sub-forum.
 

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