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[username]

If this 'incident' did actually occur...then why has it not been picked up by the news hungry media? Someone else mentioned this point on a birdyblog...and as far as i know..the said 'rumble' hasn't been reported elsewhere yet...or has it?

Just wondering...like you do...

 

[ColinD]

If this 'incident' did actually occur...then why has it not been picked up by the news hungry media? Someone else mentioned this point on a birdyblog...and as far as i know..the said 'rumble' hasn't been reported elsewhere yet...or has it?

Just wondering...like you do...

I live in St Helens and know most of the birding "fraternity" in the area. Nobody I have spoken to knows anything about the incident. Certainly none of them are owning up to hiring a "heavy"!

I've not seen it in the local papers, though I don't always read them so I may have missed it, and nor has it been on the local telly to the best of my knowledge.

The first I heard of the incident was on this site.

Has any evidence actually been presented to prove that the attacker was a birder, or is it just supposition? There are plenty of people who would take offence at seeing any living thing shot, not just birders.

 

[Adam W]

If this 'incident' did actually occur...then why has it not been picked up by the news hungry media? Someone else mentioned this point on a birdyblog...and as far as i know..the said 'rumble' hasn't been reported elsewhere yet...or has it?

Just wondering...like you do...

It was reported in last weeks shooting times i believe.

 

[Adam W]

Has any evidence actually been presented to prove that the attacker was a birder, or is it just supposition? There are plenty of people who would take offence at seeing any living thing shot, not just birders.

I think the ins and outs of that have already been discussed earlier on this thread.

 

[username]

It was reported in last weeks shooting times i believe.

But not in local papers..or at least a local news item on TV...? Just seems a bit strange to me as i would have thought that 'more' would have been made of such a violent attack....if it actually occurred..[and obviously, if it did occur, then it's well out of order]...

ps...maybe i'm being unduly suspicious....but still seems odd to me....!

 

[redshank2]

I think the ins and outs of that have already been discussed earlier on this thread.

I would suggest that that issue is far from resolved. All we really have to go on is:

1) unsubstantiated allegation in initial story

2) the initial post on the linked fishing forum [ http://www.gofishing.co.uk/HomePage...nding/Forum-Categories/Topic/?&topic-id=21562 ] in which it is stated that the alleged pepertrator of the assault was "doing a bit of twitching by the dam"

3) ColinD's statement that no birders that he knows within the local area in which this incident is alleged to have occured know anything about it.

We are unlikely to ever get enough information to prove things one way or another however so far I have seen little to convince me one way or the other, I would say that if anyone like ColinD has anything further to add to this then we should listen to them and not simply state that the issue is closed; this issue lies at the heart of this thread and is far from resolved.

Personally I just think it is a great shame the article was written as I don't see any inherent reason why birders and fishermen cannot co-exist. There are both good and bad individuals on both sides and by stereotyping and saying all birders = twitchers = hate fishermen or all fishermen = slobs with no interest in other wildlife we do no-one any favours.

I've never had any interest in fishing; to me the idea of buying loads of expensive kit then sitting in the cold in hat and anorak by a waterway waiting for a fish to bite has always seemed boring to me.

I am however happy to admit that I've long been interested in birdwatching; to me the idea of buying loads of expensive optics then standing in the cold in hat and anorak by a waterway watching and waiting for grebe or duck has always seemed great fun.

The irony that most people outside both hobbies may think birders and fishermen as crazy as each other and maybe a tiny bit similar is not lost on me!

Tom

 

[Adam W]

But not in local papers..or at least a local news item on TV...? Just seems a bit strange to me as i would have thought that 'more' would have been made of such a violent attack....if it actually occurred..[and obviously, if it did occur, then it's well out of order]...

ps...maybe i'm being unduly suspicious....but still seems odd to me....!

Maybe this is me being unduly suspicious but perhaps it has not been so widely reported as it was just a nasty angler shooting a Cormorant so who cares.Not saying that was the case but perhaps papers would be not as keen to run the story if they thought lots of readers would not agree with what the angler was doing in the first place.

 

[Adam W]

The irony that most people outside both hobbies may think birders and fishermen as crazy as each other and maybe a tiny bit similar is not lost on me!

Tom

That is very true.
I have lots of expensive gear for shooting ,fishing and birdwatching and spend lots of time waiting in the cold and wet for all of them hobbies but dont think i could say anyone is more crazy than the other.

 

[ColinD]

.....3) ColinD's statement that no birders that he knows within the local area in which this incident is alleged to have occured know anything about it.

We are unlikely to ever get enough information to prove things one way or another however so far I have seen little to convince me one way or the other, I would say that if anyone like ColinD has anything further to add to this then we should listen to them and not simply state that the issue is closed; this issue lies at the heart of this thread and is far from resolved.....

Just to clear up one point, what I said was none of the people I have spoken to know anything about it. There are people I know who I have not had chance to speak to. Just a minor point maybe......

I have nothing further to add at this stage, because the only information I have about the incident is from this thread. I have been able to get no local information at all.

I would agree that if the incident has happened it's completely wrong, whoever the attacker was, and I also think it's a great shame, because I have a good, friendly relationship with lots of anglers in the local area.

 

[username]

Maybe this is me being unduly suspicious but perhaps it has not been so widely reported as it was just a nasty angler shooting a Cormorant so who cares.Not saying that was the case but perhaps papers would be not as keen to run the story if they thought lots of readers would not agree with what the angler was doing in the first place.

I would have thought that there were many several 'rags' that would have printed such a story...because, as has been shown here and elsewhere on blogs...it creates quite a 'stir'..! The headline writers would have had a 'field-day...surely the media love such 'stuff'.....[which makes me wonder why this 'incident' hasn't been more widely circulated]....hey...who knows...it could just be a load of made up cobblers. Let's hope some facts emerge from other sources..[preferably..from known reliable sources]....!

 

[paulhillion]

If this 'incident' did actually occur...then why has it not been picked up by the news hungry media? Someone else mentioned this point on a birdyblog...and as far as i know..the said 'rumble' hasn't been reported elsewhere yet...or has it?

Just wondering...like you do...

I grabbed the original link from 'Birdwatch' magazine's newsfeed on Facebook.

 

[dddiver]

I think someone must have escaped from the local nuthouse to punch a guy with a gun .If somebody was to attack me and I was armed,I'd shoot the ####er.

 

[Barred Wobbler]

I think someone must have escaped from the local nuthouse to punch a guy with a gun .If somebody was to attack me and I was armed,I'd shoot the ####er.

No, you wouldn't

 

[karpman]

If every time someone was punched in the face for whatever reason the papers would be huge lol.It was not reported probably because the offence was not serious enough as daft as it seems.
Without fisherman cormorant numbers would fall anyway it's not so see or work out who keeps these lakes reservoirs and ponds stocked for these birds to eat.
And theres no doubt that monies paid to the Ea from fisherman has gone a long way to conservation, If cormorant populations need controlling so be it. To be attacked int this process is mindless thuggery who cares what hobby the guy pursued he is still a criminal.

karpman

 

[ColinD]

If every time someone was punched in the face for whatever reason the papers would be huge lol.It was not reported probably because the offence was not serious enough as daft as it seems.
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It's nothing to do with how serious it is. The opportunity for a daft headline is overwhelming... Think about it - guns, anglers, twitchers, dogs, assault, Cormorants. Put them all together and what do you get?

 

[username]

I know what your saying Karpman...but the media do have a tendency to jump on stories concerning birders...
"Twitcher T***s Angry Angler"!!!.....the only witness to the crime was unavailable for comment...as apparently, the only witness to the incident was a dead cormorant....!

ps...[let me quickly say again...if this event occurred...then it ain't good]...etc

 

[karpman]

It's nothing to do with how serious it is. The opportunity for a daft headline is overwhelming... Think about it - guns, anglers, twitchers, dogs, assault, Cormorants. Put them all together and what do you get?

Yeah sorry indeed put like that surprised it did not make the Sun to be honest, I'm sure they would of found a footballer or too dogging if they tried hard enough
ya woulda thought.
At the least the daily sport woulda had a poke at itB

karpman

 

[dddiver]

No, you wouldn't

I only read the first page .Didn't realise the thread was so long.
But I would

 

[dantheman]

It's nothing to do with how serious it is. The opportunity for a daft headline is overwhelming... Think about it - guns, anglers, twitchers, dogs, assault, Cormorants. Put them all together and what do you get?

"Angry Dog Shoots Fish, Then Assaults Big Black Bird" ... ??








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[karpman]

"Angry Dog Shoots Fish, Then Assaults Big Black Bird" ... ??








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Nice headline Tongue firmly planted in cheek, You read the sport too?:-O

karpman