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Message: <blockquote data-quote="derelict" data-source="post: 1357863" data-attributes="member: 71168">I didn't ask for it to be censored, merely restricted on an age basis. With the caveat that I've never watched the video I'd say that the material is based on a short 15 minute "worst of..." compilation video which has been online in one form or another since 2005 originally disseminated via a Swiss outfit though I'm fairly sure Mark Bruce is correct in his supposition as to who actually did the filming. Whether PETA ever had anything to do with it (other than to claim the credit) I know not.  There was an accompanying report in 2005 of which I had seen the the 2006 update. It's now December 2008...The animalsaviors site (why grace them with a link?) was set up in 2007 (clearly it takes time for news to reach Australia) so they're basically a new site showing other people's library material. Much of this current thread looks like "OMG! Look what I just saw! - share my guilt!"  headless chicken stuff.  Again I question why birdforum is an appropriate place to have links to what in my view is pornography for sadists.  Its not about birds  and I doubt that the sites showing this material are ever going to give two hoots about, say, the plight of the english sparrow. Doesn't the bird world have its own campaigns?     As a little footnote based on my recollections, apart from being unregulated the Chinese fur trade differs from the western one in one important regard:  almost nothing is wasted.  The animals may be produced primarily for their pelts but they are then eaten.</blockquote>

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