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<blockquote data-quote="l_raty" data-source="post: 3513552" data-attributes="member: 24811"><p>Lack of monophyly at the species level may not be a problem if there is 'something' at play that unifies 'the species' as a whole -- e.g., actual gene flow between parts that look like they are non-sister; uniformity within 'the species' in some aspect that is central to reproductive isolation between one of its parts and its sister group; etc. If this is not the case, then it's somewhat problematic.</p><p>In the present case, you would need some (preferably good) reason to split South Hills Crossbill <u>rather than</u> splitting '<em>Loxia minor</em>' from <em>L. curvirostra</em>. If the only information you have is that these two are reproductively isolated from one another, how do you choose?</p><p></p><p>*****</p><p>PS -- I know the proposal was written by the author of the name, but the South Hills Crossbill was <em>really</em> described as <em>Loxia sinesciur<u><strong>i</strong></u>s</em>, <u><em>not</em></u> '<em>L. sinesciurus</em>'.</p><p>(Benkman et al 2009 [<a href="http://repository.uwyo.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1001&context=zoology_facpub" target="_blank">pdf</a>]:</p><p></p><p><em><a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3Dsine" target="_blank">sine</a></em>: without, preposition requiring ablative; <em><a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3Dsciurus" target="_blank">sciurus</a></em><a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3Dsciurus" target="_blank">, <em>-i</em></a> (from Gr. σκίουρος): squirrel; albative plural: <em>sciuris</em>.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="l_raty, post: 3513552, member: 24811"] Lack of monophyly at the species level may not be a problem if there is 'something' at play that unifies 'the species' as a whole -- e.g., actual gene flow between parts that look like they are non-sister; uniformity within 'the species' in some aspect that is central to reproductive isolation between one of its parts and its sister group; etc. If this is not the case, then it's somewhat problematic. In the present case, you would need some (preferably good) reason to split South Hills Crossbill [U]rather than[/U] splitting '[I]Loxia minor[/I]' from [I]L. curvirostra[/I]. If the only information you have is that these two are reproductively isolated from one another, how do you choose? ***** PS -- I know the proposal was written by the author of the name, but the South Hills Crossbill was [I]really[/I] described as [I]Loxia sinesciur[U][B]i[/B][/U]s[/I], [U][I]not[/I][/U] '[I]L. sinesciurus[/I]'. (Benkman et al 2009 [[URL="http://repository.uwyo.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1001&context=zoology_facpub"]pdf[/URL]]: [I][URL="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3Dsine"]sine[/URL][/I]: without, preposition requiring ablative; [I][URL="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3Dsciurus"]sciurus[/URL][/I][URL="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3Dsciurus"], [I]-i[/I][/URL] (from Gr. σκίουρος): squirrel; albative plural: [I]sciuris[/I].) [/QUOTE]
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