Mysticete
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If Bermuda can get a Booted Eagle...
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AOU-NACC Proposals 2024 (1 Viewer)
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Jacana
Will Jones
I also hesitated to mention it. But it is very interesting to see the different positions some members have on the Booby proposal vs the Cape Petrel proposal, which is even saltier!
Mysticete
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I will have to check that. As someone who has never seen that species nor is likely to see it in the nearish future, I didn't pay much attention to it.
Andy Adcock
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Given recent events, 'Brewster's' is highly unlikely to stick so I woder what the name of the new species will be?
Andy Adcock
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Jacana
Will Jones
Almost certainly Cocos Booby
Kirk Roth
Rarely to be taken seriously
There is a coconut joke here (English and Spanish) that fortunately I am far too sophisticated to mention. Coco is also slang for a beautiful girl and for cocaine. So this makes for a very thoughtful and politically correct bird name.
But at least it doesn't honor the co-founder of the AOU.
pbjosh
missing the neotropics
Isn’t coco a cocaine user not the drug itself, and I guess only in Mexico? And I haven’t run across coco for a woman before but there is different slang in every country. Coco can also mean clever or a crush as far as I know and I am sure plenty more.
Mysticete
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The full supplement for this years proposals is now available:
academic.oup.com
Most of the changes that passed were already sort of foreshadowed by the Clements update, but of note:
The Herring Gull split FAILED, surprisingly, despite Clements finally coming aboard for this. Will be interesting to see the comments about why. Also I believe this is the first time since ABA has started acknowledging ebird more specifically that a situation like this has occurred. So does this mean ABA will follow Clements, or will it follow AOS? Because Vega, European Herring, and American Herring are all present within the ABA area.
Cocos Booby passed as the new common name for the brewsteri, and Audubon's Shearwater post-split is renamed Sargasso Shearwater (Which I think is a genuinely cooler sounder name). Also on the common name front, Kalinago Wren seems to be the preferred choice over Cinnamon Wren for one of the new House Wren splits, although I expect Clements and others to follow that as well (The Clements working document is not a final document)
Sixty-fifth Supplement to the American Ornithological Society’s Check-list of North American Birds
This is the 24th supplement since publication of the 7th edition of the Check-list of North American Birds (American Ornithologists’ Union [AOU] 1998). It
academic.oup.com
Most of the changes that passed were already sort of foreshadowed by the Clements update, but of note:
The Herring Gull split FAILED, surprisingly, despite Clements finally coming aboard for this. Will be interesting to see the comments about why. Also I believe this is the first time since ABA has started acknowledging ebird more specifically that a situation like this has occurred. So does this mean ABA will follow Clements, or will it follow AOS? Because Vega, European Herring, and American Herring are all present within the ABA area.
Cocos Booby passed as the new common name for the brewsteri, and Audubon's Shearwater post-split is renamed Sargasso Shearwater (Which I think is a genuinely cooler sounder name). Also on the common name front, Kalinago Wren seems to be the preferred choice over Cinnamon Wren for one of the new House Wren splits, although I expect Clements and others to follow that as well (The Clements working document is not a final document)
pbjosh
missing the neotropics
Agreed the comments will be interesting particularly given the genetics seemingly demanding the split.
Assuming Clements does not back track, this will be another interesting test of who matters - does the ABA follow Clement’s or NACC/AOS? If ABA breaks from Clements, how many birders will follow that vs just sticking with eBird/Clements. Interesting times
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
Je suis un mignon petit Traquet rubicole
Put Ixobrychus in Botaurus was one of my ideas but it's a little bit extremeThe full supplement for this years proposals is now available:
Sixty-fifth Supplement to the American Ornithological Society’s Check-list of North American Birds
This is the 24th supplement since publication of the 7th edition of the Check-list of North American Birds (American Ornithologists’ Union [AOU] 1998). It
Most of the changes that passed were already sort of foreshadowed by the Clements update, but of note:
The Herring Gull split FAILED, surprisingly, despite Clements finally coming aboard for this. Will be interesting to see the comments about why. Also I believe this is the first time since ABA has started acknowledging ebird more specifically that a situation like this has occurred. So does this mean ABA will follow Clements, or will it follow AOS? Because Vega, European Herring, and American Herring are all present within the ABA area.
Cocos Booby passed as the new common name for the brewsteri, and Audubon's Shearwater post-split is renamed Sargasso Shearwater (Which I think is a genuinely cooler sounder name). Also on the common name front, Kalinago Wren seems to be the preferred choice over Cinnamon Wren for one of the new House Wren splits, although I expect Clements and others to follow that as well (The Clements working document is not a final document)
Mysticete
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Apparently there is "new evidence" and they will be re-evaluating the Herring situation in next years proposals.Agreed the comments will be interesting particularly given the genetics seemingly demanding the split.
Assuming Clements does not back track, this will be another interesting test of who matters - does the ABA follow Clement’s or NACC/AOS? If ABA breaks from Clements, how many birders will follow that vs just sticking with eBird/Clements. Interesting times
If ABA is going to allow ebird provisionals to count for ABA listing purposes, I see little chance they are not going to follow ebird/clements for taxonomy.
Even as someone who has zero problems with eponyms and values stability over "improvements", I have to say that Sargasso Shearwater is so much better than the old name that I can definitely get behind this particular change.
Yeah according to the North American Gulls FB group there was a last-minute, unpublished addendum to the proposal which led them to essentially put it off until next year. To me, American Herring certainly 'feels' different than the European birds, but how things shake up in East Asia with Vega and similar taxa might be a different can of worms.
pbjosh
missing the neotropics
That is an inspired name, I agree!
l_raty
laurent raty
The vegae-birulai-taimyrensis-heuglini series has always been a can of worms.
Interesting that it seemingly comes down to - from Oscar Johnson's comment on FB, that the WGAC has a 50% threshold for decisions but the AOS has a 2/3rds rule.
Jeff Hopkins
Just another...observer
He is 74 going on 75. Time to relax a bit? Pass the torch?
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