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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Purple Heron" data-source="post: 3599951" data-attributes="member: 143142">To Jos--     I think there are patterns that occur when 4G comes in, and which I do not fully understand.  I don't know why, but tits, especially great tits, seem to hang around longer in 4G even when other birds disappear.  Other people have noticed this as well.  Warbler and finches, on the other hand, are among the first birds to go. I notice that you mostly mention tits among the birds you have--what about warblers and finches, other small birds?   I don't know if you get chaffinches in Lithuania, but if you do you might have noticed a decline there.  Here on Samos they have all disappeared since we got 4G, and though they were very common birds, I haven't seen a single one here for about a year.  By the same token, other birds like crows, jays and gulls have multiplied since 4G came in, and this is a sure sign of imbalance in the ecosystem.  I was speaking yesterday to someone at HOS (the Greek birding society) and he was very worried by what I told him about Samos.      Part of the problem for us is that Turkish 4G signals are much stronger than European signals, according to Greek Telecoms (OTE).  But even if this is the case, why are we having disappearances in areas where the Turkish signal doesn't reach?  And if it is the case that Turkish signals being stronger causes falling bird populations, we should be very worried about 5G, which will operate in Terahertz.     About tree sparrows--I read in Birdlife News that Hong Kong (which surely has a lot of wireless) has suddenly got lots of tree sparrows, which it didn't have before.  It is possible that tree sparrows, like tits, have more resistance in some way.  I just don't know, but I think there is reason for concern.  I don't think data like the sort I am seeking have been looked at before--I think there are patterns, but I don't know how to account for them.  By the way, have you seen an increase in crows (and other members of that family) in Lithuania?</blockquote>

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