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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jring" data-source="post: 3336361" data-attributes="member: 133897">Hi giosblue,yes I'd have loved to read more comparison between the Opto TBG-80 HD and a current upper midrange scope like the HR80ED both with SDLv2. A much fairer competition than vs the Kowa 883 with the 25-60x, arguably the best birding scope and eyepiece money can buy atm... My bet would have been that they're near indistinguishable in good light with the Opticron slowly getting the upper hand as the light gets worse. At least that's what I have seen with my Kowa con SDLv2 vs. scopes of fellow birders or in a store (so far Leica 82 in store - didn't make me want to buy it, older Zeiss Diascope 85 nice in principle but soft edges due to no flattener and quite yellow, Swaro ATM/S 65 and 85 liked those, better than mine especially the ATM85 in lousy light - but not 1k€ better). Still missing Swaro ATX and Kowa though...Same for my old TSN-3 with SDLv2... Unfortunately Opticron is kinda uncommon over here, especially with scopes - have not seen one live. So if you ever get near Frankfurt, Germany give me shout and we'll do a shootout ;-)Joachim</blockquote>