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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lorne" data-source="post: 1869522" data-attributes="member: 3425">As the 1st to mention it perhaps John has an idea?  I didn’t do Latin at school but Sheila did, but she has no idea of the difference of the names atrofuscus & fulvofusca. We are very much aware that any orchiding outside the UK has to be done with Latin names & trying to use the English is only going to be real lumping!In 2008 we did the Sicily trip, main problem being according to Delforge 16 species between Fusca & Lutea, although I am sure he has very good reasons for these variations, I searched the net for any other Sicily info & found that Guenther-blaich had a slightly lower no. I assumed that he could be the balance between lumpers & splitters, however check his fulvofusca here; <a href="http://www.guenther-blaich.de/artseite.php?par=Ophrys+apifera+var.+fulvofusca&abs=artlst" target="_blank">http://www.guenther-blaich.de/artseite.php?par=Ophrys+apifera+var.+fulvofusca&abs=artlst</a> Here are the 2 different flowers, apart from the lips the upper petals appear to be different as well. I understand that this is possibly the one found there in 2008.</blockquote>