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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GDK" data-source="post: 1873853" data-attributes="member: 21712">Hi Lorne,As a statement I suspect you may very well be correct here, but it would be nice to know what is behind this statement - presumably the variation as described was first described as fulvofusca and not atrofuscus?  Can you not state where?As for the latin, I know very little solely based on guess work of animal and plant names, but they both appear to describe using similar terms (atro - fuscus) (fulvo - fusca) the darkening effect and browness of the lip. This would make sense I suppose, given it appears to be the only noticable difference between the mutation and a regular Bee Orchid.  I would guess that both plants fall into the category 'fulvofusca', unless you want to get very picky on those tram lines!And regarding John's comment on lumping, well it does depend upon where you wish to draw that line, as they are all variations of plants "at the far end of the dark spectrum for O.apifera" are they not?Cheers</blockquote>