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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JohnZ" data-source="post: 1512459" data-attributes="member: 35572">I fear that we are going to have to beg to differ on this RJL. I still maintain that the closer you can get to the subject the better off you will be.I have posted a couple more shots that, hopefully, demonstrate that you can still get some sort of bokeh even if it is not the best possible. The Wagtail shot was taken at Elmley and the grass behind the bird was less than 4 feet away. The Golden plover shot was just a continuation of the grass. The Redshank shot is possibly the worst example but still shows a bokeh of sorts.I should also add that all of the shots were taken with the Canon 400mm prime lens.</blockquote>