Banned pesticides (2 Viewers)

[Andy Adcock]

Being exported by the UK and others.

Despite certain pesticides being illegal in the EU, their manufacture and export by member states is still legal, to countries where they are not banned, including the USA.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54093926

Not environmentally moral is it.

 

[Nutcracker]

Absolutely not!

What's even worse, they're all likely to be permitted in UK from next year :-C :storm:

 

[Andy Adcock]

Absolutely not!

What's even worse, they're all likely to be permitted in UK from next year :-C :storm:

Why?

Stop peddling this alarmist, rubbish.

 

[Nutcracker]

It's in the 2020 Agriculture Bill, reducing UK standards to those in USA to allow for open trade on agri products with USA and elsewhere. An amendment to retain EU standards on pesticide, hormone, etc., use was rejected by 51 votes (given the Con majority of 80, it means quite a few rebelled, but far from enough). Likely that the Lords will restore the amendment again, but also likely that the Commons will reject it again on the final reading.

 

[Andy Adcock]

It's in the 2020 Agriculture Bill, reducing UK standards to those in USA to allow for open trade on agri products with USA and elsewhere. An amendment to retain EU standards on pesticide, hormone, etc., use was rejected by 51 votes (given the Con majority of 80, it means quite a few rebelled, but far from enough). Likely that the Lords will restore the amendment again, but also likely that the Commons will reject it again on the final reading.

Would be suicidal to any Conservative aspirations of a second term.

 

[Nutcracker]

Would be suicidal to any Conservative aspirations of a second term.

Trouble is, they're verging on being a death cult now - elections aren't significant to them. And for those in the control seat, once they've made their fortunes from asset-stripping the country and selling out to (mainly US) corporations, they'll **** off to the Cayman Islands and not care any more about the wreckage they leave behind.

 

[Original PaulE]

Would be suicidal to any Conservative aspirations of a second term.

Conservatives could go into care homes and execute 1 in 10 of the residents and the other 9 would still vote for em! They have no worries with the opposition so weak, At the first sign they are mounting a challenge someone just has to say Anti-Semitism and they will spend the next 6 months tearing themselves to bits.

The fact that we are manufacturing and selling chemicals to foreign countries, that we consider to toxic to use on our own land, pretty much sums up what "Great Britain" has become ,money grabbing hypocrites!!

 

[Andy Adcock]

Conservatives could go into care homes and execute 1 in 10 of the residents and the other 9 would still vote for em! They have no worries with the opposition so weak, At the first sign they are mounting a challenge someone just has to say Anti-Semitism and they will spend the next 6 months tearing themselves to bits.

The fact that we are manufacturing and selling chemicals to foreign countries, that we consider to toxic to use on our own land, pretty much sums up what "Great Britain" has become ,money grabbing hypocrites!!

This is the size of it.

 

[Mysticete]

It's in the 2020 Agriculture Bill, reducing UK standards to those in USA to allow for open trade on agri products with USA and elsewhere. An amendment to retain EU standards on pesticide, hormone, etc., use was rejected by 51 votes (given the Con majority of 80, it means quite a few rebelled, but far from enough). Likely that the Lords will restore the amendment again, but also likely that the Commons will reject it again on the final reading.

I am not a Brit, but from over here it really looks like Boris is rolling the dice on Trump being elected office and carrying through on creating a good trade deal.

Problem here is:
1) Biden is pro-European Union and has a good shot at winning; there is a fair chance he will not be inclined to produce a favorable deal.

2) Trump is unreliable at best....He can SAY he will give the UK an awesome deal, but until the specifics are laid out I wouldn't bet on anything. It's just as likely as to never emerge or be a deal that will be harmful for UK interests.

3) There may be a fair share of political chaos in the near future (Hell there already is), so no matter who wins, I would imagine a UK trade deal might be pretty far down the list of priorities.

 

[ClarkWGriswold]

Absolutely not!

What's even worse, they're all likely to be permitted in UK from next year :-C :storm:

Just read on Twitter (so hopefully accurate) that neonicotinoids will not be allowed to be used in Wales. There’s an online petition calling for them not to be allowed in the UK as a whole.

Rich

 

[THE_FERN]

Just read on Twitter (so hopefully accurate) that neonicotinoids will not be allowed to be used in Wales. There’s an online petition calling for them not to be allowed in the UK as a whole.

Rich

My personal reason for us (UK) to stay in the EU had nothing to do with "sovereignty" or "economics". As someone who grew up under Thatcher, I often felt that only the EU was providing any protection for nature at all. Generally speaking, and in stark contrast to many other countries (migratory birds, anyone?), the UK generally took this legislation seriously. My big great worry on us leaving was that any protection would be lost. The initial signs were surprisingly positive. However, the recent neonics decision and other similar noises have raised the threat level again... (Of course, some of these things are devolved decisions now but recent decisions in Scotland show this isn't necessarily good.)