Biggest WOW binoculars you have ever looked through? (1 Viewer)

[typo]

Ed,

You can do the stereo acuity estimation for yourself.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereoscopic_acuity

Obviously you need to do it in such a way as other visual cues for spacing are avoided. The base of the pegs may need to be hidden and shadows avoided of course.

I got my wife to stick a pair of old knitting needles in the lawn separated by different distances, and then just walked towards them, with and without binoculars, until I could just distinguish which was closer. You then just measure d and dz. Crude, but it worked well enough and took less than 10 minutes including the calculations to give a totally unambiguous answer.

Give it a go.

David

 

[Troubador]

No wonder you can't sneak up on a pigeon.

Hi Dennis

Thank you for noticing and posting: The Wanderer didn't.

Has the EL 32 gone yet?

Lee

 

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Hi Dennis

Thank you for noticing and posting: The Wanderer didn't.

Has the EL 32 gone yet?

Lee

Sold the EL32 in less than 24 hours.

 

[SuperDuty]

I equate buying Swarovsk binoculars to being able to rent a world class object for a very reasonable price if you average what you loose selling them by the years you own them. If you buy them right, you will break even, or even make a little money on them. Not to mention the view you'll enjoy while you have them.|:d|

Sold the EL32 in less than 24 hours.

 

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I equate buying Swarovsk binoculars to being able to rent a world class object for a very reasonable price if you average what you loose selling them by the years you own them. If you buy them right, you will break even, or even make a little money on them. Not to mention the view you'll enjoy while you have them.|:d|

I like the 10x50 SV better than the little 8x32 SV but really the Canon 10x42 IS-L optically is just about as good as the big SV and the view is tripod rock steady on the Canon.I am not sure I need the big SV either. The Trac Toric 8x42 is my 8x now. I really like them. In the new Outdoor Life binocular review the Trac Toric 10x42 was within a hairs breath of the new Leica Ultravid 8x32 HD Plus and of course when you consider price and value they beat them. These new Japanese Schott glass Kamakura binoculars like the Toric are catching up with the alpha's FAST. The Trac's are impressive!If they can build a quality binocular like the Trac's in Japan and use Schott glass the alpha's are going to have NOTHING over these newer binoculars. I would never have thought I would say this but the Trac's are the first mid-range binocular that makes me think there is no reason anymore to spend $2K on a binocular. Outdoor Life recently did a test on 14 rifle scopes and the Trac Ultra HD had one of the highest combined resolution and low light score of the bunch and many of the scopes are thousands of dollars. The Trac costing $700.00 even beat the Swarovski X5i costing $3432.00.

http://www.outdoorlife.com/articles...-14-new-riflescopes-reviewed-ranked-and-rated

 

[Troubador]

These new Japanese Schott glass Kamakura binoculars like the Toric are catching up with the alpha's FAST. The Trac's are impressive!If they can build a quality binocular like the Trac's in Japan and use Schott glass the alpha's are going to have NOTHING over these newer binoculars. I would never have thought I would say this but the Trac's are the first mid-range binocular that makes me think there is no reason anymore to spend $2K on a binocular.

Dennis

You are a great advertisement for the dizzying, mind-blowing, heady flush of romantic enthusiasm that comes with a new love which lasts and lasts and lasts............................... until the next new love.

You haven't been down to the pub again have you?

Lee

 

[Torview]

The pendulum that is Dennis swings again..................it all gets rather tiresome.

 

[Chosun Juan]

The pendulum that is Dennis swings again..................it all gets rather tiresome.

I think that strange feeling is Deja vu ..... again! :eek!: :bounce:

"Once you go Alpha, you can never go backa" ... until of course you do .... and then you can have a brief dalliance until the Five-Fifteen from downtown rocks up, and you can unceremoniously throw it under the bus! :eek!: :gn: ............... :-O :smoke:


Chosun :gh:

 

[etudiant]

The Trac's are impressive!If they can build a quality binocular like the Trac's in Japan and use Schott glass the alpha's are going to have NOTHING over these newer binoculars.

http://www.outdoorlife.com/articles...-14-new-riflescopes-reviewed-ranked-and-rated

Tract does not need Schott glass to build quality optics, Hoya makes very competitive product. Schott does however have more brand cachet in binocular circles.

More broadly, Denco is surely correct that there is little difference optically between the Tract and the alphas, big gains are impossible, so just slightly different optimizations.

Swaro has successfully sidestepped that problem by its emphasis on service, the buyer knows s/he has a world class product that is really well supported.

There is no comparably clear perception of the other alphas. Absent drastic innovation such as Canon's IS, one wonders how long they will be able to continue their premium pricing.

 

[Vespobuteo]

Dennis: I really hope you won't end up owning only a cheesy chinese-made monocular...
different bins have their specific qualities, there's no single bin to rule them all.
though down-sizing is respect, from an environmental POV.
o

http://www.optexsys.com/10X-Stabilized-Monocular

 

[ceasar]

Tract does not need Schott glass to build quality optics, Hoya makes very competitive product. Schott does however have more brand cachet in binocular circles.

More broadly, Denco is surely correct that there is little difference optically between the Tract and the alphas, big gains are impossible, so just slightly different optimizations.

Swaro has successfully sidestepped that problem by its emphasis on service, the buyer knows s/he has a world class product that is really well supported.

There is no comparably clear perception of the other alphas. Absent drastic innovation such as Canon's IS, one wonders how long they will be able to continue their premium pricing.

But Swarovski's service costs money and it is reflected in the purchase price of a new binocular, is it not? In fact we have evidence from posters here that it extends to 2nd party purchasers unlike other binocular companies.

Here is how a different company in the fly fishing industry handled that issue.

I own a very nice graphite Winston Fly Rod (among various other fly rods) that I purchased from the original owners of the company many years ago and which I registered with them.

Subsequently the company was sold and I received an offer from the new owners. For $50.00 they would give my fly rod a lifetime guarantee against breakage. Should I break it they would repair it for free, less shipping. I didn't take up the offer. I still have the rod but have not used it for many years.

Bob

 

[Troubador]

There is no comparably clear perception of the other alphas.

You might have no clear perception of the other alphas especially if you prioritise the warranty above other characterisitics but I beg to differ and have a very clear picture of what Leica and Zeiss mean to me.

I have never considered the warranty when deciding to buy bins. The bins are either what I want or not and the warranty will never change that.

So for me Leica is the compact one with a warm view and Zeiss is clarity and handling with more choice from a range of price / performance points.

Other brands are available.

Lee

 

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Tract does not need Schott glass to build quality optics, Hoya makes very competitive product. Schott does however have more brand cachet in binocular circles.

More broadly, Denco is surely correct that there is little difference optically between the Tract and the alphas, big gains are impossible, so just slightly different optimizations.

Swaro has successfully sidestepped that problem by its emphasis on service, the buyer knows s/he has a world class product that is really well supported.

There is no comparably clear perception of the other alphas. Absent drastic innovation such as Canon's IS, one wonders how long they will be able to continue their premium pricing.

IMHO the thing that Trac has done that is different from other mid-tiered binoculars is build quality. A lot of the other mid-priced Chinese binoculars designed to compete with the alpha's like the Zen Ray Prime have always not quite succeeded because something like the focus or the eye cups or the quality of the armour or some weakness in their design have kept them from reaching that goal. The optics and the glass were there but not the overall binocular. These guys who designed the Trac have succeeded for the first time IMO in building a lower cost binocular that might make you wonder if you need to buy that Leica Ultravid HD or Zeiss SF.

 

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Very good questions, but as you know I meant the gold standard for human 3D perception.

There's a large literature on animal perception, but it's not my field. I'd need a few more lifetimes for that.

Ed

I have always wondered about animal perception and 3D. My dogs seem to have great movement perception even under low light. I think animals vision is better than some researchers think it is especially 3D.

 

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Dennis

You are a great advertisement for the dizzying, mind-blowing, heady flush of romantic enthusiasm that comes with a new love which lasts and lasts and lasts............................... until the next new love.

You haven't been down to the pub again have you?

Lee

"You haven't been down to the pub again have you?"

We don't call them Pubs in the US. We call them txyzzy bars. And yes I have been to a few.B

 

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I think that strange feeling is Deja vu ..... again! :eek!: :bounce:

"Once you go Alpha, you can never go backa" ... until of course you do .... and then you can have a brief dalliance until the Five-Fifteen from downtown rocks up, and you can unceremoniously throw it under the bus! :eek!: :gn: ............... :-O :smoke:


Chosun :gh:

:gh:"Once you go Alpha, you can never go backa, until you try a Traca":king:

 

[Troubador]

"You haven't been down to the pub again have you?"

We don't call them Pubs in the US. We call them *****bars. And yes I have been to a few.B

Dennis wash your mouth out there are ladies visiting this site you know, so I have edited your quote above. But by asking that I was suggesting that your last visit to the 'drinking place' might have influenced your judgement.

Now it seems that not only your EL 32 mm has become saleable junk but also your EL 10x50 that you needed so badly for those wide open spaces.

You are all excited about a new pair of bins Dennis and there is nothing wrong with that but however good the Trac is and no matter how good value for money they are, they don't turn your Swaros into junk overnight. Only your new infatuation does that.

I dread to ask about your romantic relationships and how long they don't last.

But hey: enjoy.

Lee

 

[litebeam]

Spent the weekend glassing with the wife...her Swarovski swarovision 8X32s are stunning...

 

[Sancho]

:gh:"Once you go Alpha, you can never go backa, until you try a Traca":king:

:t:

Dennis, your enthusiasm is impressive and although you've done a few back-flips (haven't we all) your Toric review seemed balanced and fair. I've never seen a pair, but not sure I could drop to 7.2 FOV. I quite agree though that mid-tier binos are catching up and the alphas are only a nose ahead. I also agree that Canon IS 10x42 is a stunner, but couldn't live with the ergos. Fussy, moi?
I regret parting with Nikon EDG 8x42, and Nikon SE 10x42. They were ultra-wow. But courtesy of a gentleman BF member, I now have a 551xxx SE 8x32 to play with. Stunning. Although I'm pretty sure it's exactly the same as 500xxx and 502xxx I previously owned....I haven't compared them SxS, but I don't think Nikon ever made any 'improvements' optically...some things you can't improve on.

 

[Troubador]

Spent the weekend glassing with the wife

What was in the glasses? Shots?

All weekend?

A pair of supermarket bins would look fabulous after that :-O

Lee