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Message: <blockquote data-quote="wolfbirder" data-source="post: 1437690" data-attributes="member: 28091">Not sure i have had any real depression bouts but I am in my mid forties & a few yrs back i had severe lower back ache, which made me feel very down in the dumps. Also balance problems and sent for tests for MS which was deemed unlikely but never ruled out. I also had x-ray of the neck which had a broken vertebrae. This was undiagnosed for a year, but in that time I  was unwell and depressed and had two months off work because of neck pain. That period of time when I couldnt get NHS help, the associated depression really affected me and I no longer frown at people who might be off sick for whatever reason.In general it is noteworthy how people have problems at middle age, which might be depression brought on by associated body / bone deterioration or anything else. It may just be that you ask yourself about the meaning of daily life and your existence when you get to middle age.But it is also clear that you can get out the other side, often driven by the world of birds!  When I am birding and meet sound people, it helps you put things in persective.Bill, get better soon mate, I loved watching Springwatch and your personality and drive may need a break, but I am sure you will get out of the other side soon.</blockquote>