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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CliveP" data-source="post: 3394228" data-attributes="member: 85835">Hi Janice (my sister's name also but it's ok, she's far away in Oz 8-P)Looks great so why not. The HD version of course, there was and older non-HD not so long ago but I think that's gone now.I wouldn't mind owning one. Apparently they are difficult to destroy even if you shoot them! I suppose just in case you ever get caught in the middle of a gun battle?Maybe go onto the Zeiss thread and ask more about it there where I'm sure you will get a more  specific response but I don't think your eyesight will have any problem with those from what you describe. In fact I'm sure your eyes will smile<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" />Just be careful you don't lose the dogs when out by forgetting about them while totally absorbed with your new super bins <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> and don't fight to much with hubby over them.I see you are viewing currently. Must be the middle of the night there and some agonising going on <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />In my opinion my Hawke Sapphire is not a million miles behind the performance of a Swarovski and I have owned a couple of those and tried many and no doubting one of my favourite bins ever and the Hawke being something similar is one of the reasons I like it. I also liked the Leica HD and Zeiss FL  I owned but I don't have such a budget nowadays and am very happy with all of my less expensive bins but I have indicated this several times already.The Zeiss would be the bin I would probably prefer over the Vanguard (owned one of those once and it was rubbish a 10.5x44 or something but they have improved a lot apparently). I'm very happy with my Hawke and not searching for any alternative to that. The Zeiss won't be much if any of an optical improvement over the Vanguard but may be some improvement in some way but probably considering build quality and everthing you are getting something a bit more with the Zeiss. If I had the money I would go with the Zeiss. If I wanted to save money I would go with the Vanguard or in my case the Hawke. Although one is twice the price of the other it could not be said to be twice as good is the simple answer. Engineers in Germany are paid more than in China so it's mostly a wages bill now that China are producing better quality optics and putting them in bodies that don't fall apart straight away any more but the Zeiss would still be ahead. The Chinese will no doubt continue to close the gap and may eventually or soon surpass the Europeans given how f***ked up this place is becoming.</blockquote>

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