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Binos AND Scopes (1 Viewer)

GrampaTom

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Birdforum provides those of us with an interest in the relevant gear for birding with this combined group heading. Im not sure the history of it, how the separation of scopes from binos came to be. By dividing binoculars and scopes into two different subgroups the conversations become sort of siloed. There’s something like 21 “brands” and a larger general category in the bino sub section, while the scope folks have 9 brands and a tripod sub heading. The activity in “Binoculars" exceeds the activity in “spotting scopes" by a lot.

Curiously this mirrors what I see when out and about. Maybe that was what was behind the original decision to separate? It's easy to discern hikers from birders as the latter invariably have a binocular dangling from their neck. By far, where I bird, the second most popular piece of kit is a camera. The scope is a distant 3rd in popularity. So much so that folks occasionally ask about my “camera,” which is a scope. The combination of scope/tripod is a drag to haul around. I often refer to mine as “the blasted scope thing.” With the longish viewing distances here, the scope though, earns its' keep. Birding 5 - 6 days a week during our winter migration (Sept to April), the scope and bino were last year and will be this year always together. I see them as essential parts of a system, each complimenting the other.

While this is Birdforum, where we, (one would think), discuss binoculars and scopes for that purpose, it's clear enough we are also well attended by folks with differing motives, priorities. Bino collectors chase some fairly esoteric differences between brands/models. Some scope folks seem to enjoy night skies and viewing the heavens, maybe more? Sometimes I wonder. With all, the batting around of technical details, do we lose sight of the important relevant attributes of binos and scopes for looking at birds?

What if, the “wall” between the 2 groups no longer existed? What if the conversation linking scopes and binos as integral complimentary tools was encouraged? If you're a back yard birder, a 7X bino may be all you need. If you're out and about in wide open spaces, around water, in mountain country, I bet most will want more. The package of a scope and binocular seem arguably better. For me, for where I bird, in winter with the migration on, its an 8x32 bino and 18-54x77 scope. When the migration is gone, the scope stays home. My 1042 becomes the preferred tool.

So, why don't we discuss the set, the pairing, the way these two tools compliment… birding?
 
I freely admit to being a bino/camera addict. I rarely leave the house without my Wandrd Rogue 3L sling packed with a Sony RX100 VI and a Zeiss VP 8x25. I'm also the sort of guy who has binos on the windowsills around the house.
However, there are times when some serious reach is needed, even here in Europe, or when I just want to really see some details. And for that I bought a Swaro BTX 85. Not your average hiking gear but man is that some seriously fabulous binocular gawping tool. I bought it back in the USA and the first serious use it saw was when some Great Horned Owls accepted a nest I had built for them in a mesquite tree on our property and decided to breed there.
I was so thrilled they settled there for a season and reared three owlets. What an honour. Every morning I'd set up my two tripods on the porch, one for the BTX and one for my camera, and then I'd spend sometimes hours on end watching the goings on, which of course became more interesting when the hatchlings started doing baby owl stuff. I followed their progress to the time when only one would still return now and again to try and hang out with maw and paw.
That alone justified the money spent. Luckily my wife is understanding. Tbh there was not much bino use involved in that but I thought I'd just share this story.
 
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Good conversation idea, Tom!
For me, the equipment I take with me usually depends on the company I am with: when I walk our two dogs, I only have enough for the Zeiss VP 10x25. On promising days and when my wife can take care of the dogs, I also take the Sony RX10 IV. Only at the sea and in particularly good observation spots, as well as for watching migration, do I also lug the Meopta S2 20-70-82 HD with a solid tripod.
In low light I replace the Zeiss with the Leica Trinovid 8x42 BA.
 
No big deal either way for me… I like learning about optics regardless of single or double barrel.

I rarely use scope. If I know I’m going to be in big open country or for shore birds, yes. But hiking, rarely…
 
For me it’s about the provision of hides, distance to things and the amount of walking about that will be going on. If there is a need for reach then a scope is needed. If there will be hides then the big stuff can come along (30x70 binos, 127mm mak), otherwise it’ll be a compact Opticron that is trivial to carry and lighting quick to deploy. Sometimes I’ve brought binos, but the small spotter is all I used.
 
Good idea GrandPaTom. I don’t use my (only) small Zeiss Fieldscope often. But last weeks in Sweden i used it every day because i had the time and good (permanent) location. Used it along my 7x42 ‘s and 12x50 bino’s. Had great fun with this setup. Some photo’s of the small scope on the huge tripod and not the best photo’s of twhat i think is a the White tailed eagle.

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A birder who I would regard as being at the top of their game once said to me "I'd rather carry my scope around and not use it than leave it behind and find I need it". Bought home to me at the weekend when I decided to have a last hour's walk around at a migration hot-spot on England's east coast, thought I'd just take 10x42 bins and then spent a frustrating half hour watching a Wryneck on a distant wall. Sure, you could tell what it was, but I wish I'd taken the scope.
 
To be frank, my scope usage collapsed after I bought a pair of Sig-Sauer Zulu6 HDX 20x42 stabilized binoculars. Sure, 20x is not the same reach as even a 50mm scope, but not having to deal with a tripod is priceless and the stabilization on the Sigs is simply amazing.
 
I have not used my 65mm scope in years. I prefer 12x or 16x (stabilized) binoculars. If I was going to use an observation deck then the scope might be useful, especially to view a nest day after day.
 
I have not used my 65mm scope in years. I prefer 12x or 16x (stabilized) binoculars. If I was going to use an observation deck then the scope might be useful, especially to view a nest day after day.
Could you describe how, where you bird now? Are you a hiking birder? What sort of distances? Bird types?

Tanks
 
I'm amazed that some continue to dispute the need for a scope.
Four hundred years ago Galileo used a scope to discover craters on the moon and four of Jupiter's moons.
For some birding requirements a scope is indispensible.

John
 

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