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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mark Lew1s" data-source="post: 3519663" data-attributes="member: 63888">No-one is saying we shouldn't say both groups are 'into birds' - but really, what the two groups of people do are entirely different, and that's why we have different names for the two very different hobbies. Personally, I'm not sure I want to be classed in the same bracket as someone who isn't actually interested in birds, identification, fieldcraft, and the birding community. Likewise, I'm sure the toggers don't see themselves as similar in any way to someone who sets his camera onto sports mode and presses the button until he gets something that would be useful in a description or similar.Anglers and fishermen are both 'into fish' but there's a necessary distinction between the two, despite the fact that essentially both sets are intent on taking fish out of water</blockquote>