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Birder's Lifelist - should heard birds be counted? (1 Viewer)

Xenospiza

Distracted
Supporter
(1) do you count only SEEN birds for your lifelists or do you include HEARD species as well? Is there some internationally established "code of ethics" for this matter?
(2) does the number of photographed species play any role in your lifelists, or do you only count seen birds? Or seen and photographed separately?
(3) and, lastly, do you guys have some centralized birder's list/database in your home countries/regions? If yes, could you comment briefly on how that is organized?
(1) Seen for my lifelist, but I note heard-only as well so I can give a full list. For my Dutch list, heard-only counts as well (indeed to prevent disturbance) - I have four heard-only birds on my Dutch list, one of which is not on my life list...
(2) No.
(3) The Dutch ranking is here: https://www.dutchbirdalerts.nl/ranking, although not everyone takes part. A few more may be extracted from https://waarneming.nl. The Belgian list is here: https://www.belgianbirdalerts.be/ranking
 

Nutcracker

Stop Brexit!
He walked in holding a Kookabura in his hands in front of him and sorry it was in to a doctors surgery.

The receptionist said, 'sorry, we don't treat animals, there's a vets practice down the road', at which point, he removed his hands to show that he was impaled through the midriff by the bird. The story is that he was travelling at speed, on a motorbike when the bird hit and impaled him.......

I always assumed it to be a myth?
:eek!: :eek!: :eek!: :eek!: :eek!:


Sounds a bit mythical from the way it's told - classic urban legend story structure.
 

Farnboro John

Well-known member
He walked in holding a Kookabura in his hands in front of him and sorry it was in to a doctors surgery.

The receptionist said, 'sorry, we don't treat animals, there's a vets practice down the road', at which point, he removed his hands to show that he was impaled through the midriff by the bird. The story is that he was travelling at speed, on a motorbike when the bird hit and impaled him.......

I always assumed it to be a myth?

Probably in the same category as the biker allegedly killed by a cockchafer that hit him in the eye when the biker was speeding and wearing an open-face helmet.

John
 

dantheman

Bah humbug
Probably in the same category as the biker allegedly killed by a cockchafer that hit him in the eye when the biker was speeding and wearing an open-face helmet.

John

Hmmm ... that sounds plausible if it caused him to crash though? I've been stung on the throat by a wasp/bee whilst cycling - insects are not fun at speed!
 

Andy Adcock

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England
Probably in the same category as the biker allegedly killed by a cockchafer that hit him in the eye when the biker was speeding and wearing an open-face helmet.

John

As an ex motorbike rider, I can tell you that an insect hitting you in the face at speed, is no fun. I never wore an open helmet but I have on occasion had a bee, hit my visor whilst I was doing about 70mph. I sounded like a rock hitting me and had I not had a visor on, I can honestly see the potential for serious harm.
 
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Farnboro John

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Hmmm ... that sounds plausible if it caused him to crash though? I've been stung on the throat by a wasp/bee whilst cycling - insects are not fun at speed!

I agree with you in general but the story was that it crashed straight through the eye into the skull and killed him directly. Your scenario sounds frighteningly likely. :eek!:

John
 

dantheman

Bah humbug
I agree with you in general but the story was that it crashed straight through the eye into the skull and killed him directly. Your scenario sounds frighteningly likely. :eek!:

John

Mmmm, yes. Mind you I wouldn't want to get hit in the face with a lump like that at 70mph - I imagine freak accidents could occur with eventual fatal hemorrhaging etc (Edit: Any injury trauma specialists on here?)

Recall there were some interesting stories around WWII when minimal/no headlights were allowed in UK cars at night?

Are we diverging from the OP? ;);)
 
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MJB

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As an ex motorbike rider, I can tell you that insects, hitting you in the face at speed, is no fun. I never wore an open helmet but I have on occasion had a bee, hit my visor whilst I was doing about 70mph. I sounded like a rock hitting me and had I not had a visor on, I can honestly see the potential for serious harm.

In Austria, just north of the Danube and close to Slovakia, I saw the staright courses of a motorcyclist (who wasn't hanging about) and a pheasant aiming to cross his path at about 90 degrees, intersect at helmet level. The exploded bird was instantly surrounded by an expanding, three-dimensional halo of feathers that all too soon drifted down in a delicate pattern. This was an ex-pheasant.

The biker, though obviously shaken, maintained control without coming off his bike or the road and came to a stop. He took off his helmet, and then from some magical pocket, pulled out a box of wet-wipes, and set to cleaning his helmet. After a few minutes, during which he cleaned off his leathers, he got on his bike and zoomed off. I bet he had a sore neck the next day...
MJB
 

Farnboro John

Well-known member
In Austria, just north of the Danube and close to Slovakia, I saw the staright courses of a motorcyclist (who wasn't hanging about) and a pheasant aiming to cross his path at about 90 degrees, intersect at helmet level. The exploded bird was instantly surrounded by an expanding, three-dimensional halo of feathers that all too soon drifted down in a delicate pattern. This was an ex-pheasant.

The biker, though obviously shaken, maintained control without coming off his bike or the road and came to a stop. He took off his helmet, and then from some magical pocket, pulled out a box of wet-wipes, and set to cleaning his helmet. After a few minutes, during which he cleaned off his leathers, he got on his bike and zoomed off. I bet he had a sore neck the next day...
MJB

Outside or inside?

My brother hit a pheasant (or vice versa) with his shoulder at 60 mph on his bike and he was both slowing and braced as he'd seen it coming just too late to avoid it completely. He reckoned if it had hit his face he would have been off and it could well have been curtains. Certainly the bruising was spectacular.

The subsequent history of the pheasant is unknown.

John
 

Lerxst

Well-known member
I am legally blind, and so counting heard-only birds is absolutely necessary for me. If someone was to come along and tell me, no sorry, you have to see the bird, I'd tell them to go jump off a very large cliff.

However, unless I have already studied the call exhaustively (which I try to do ahead of time, but there is never enough time before a trip to the tropics to learn them all), I will never take the guide's word for it and just tick a bird because he said such-and-such bird just sang. No, to call it a Lifer, my rule is that I must record the audio and then go double-check it against xeno-canto recordings to convince myself of the ID.

I used to be in the "have to see it" camp but it just got too damn depressing when everyone else in the group was getting the bird but I could not because of my eyesight issues. I just about gave up birding altogether at one point.

Now I find the aural part of it so integral to birding that I'm tempted to not count a new bird that I do happen see as a lifer unless I've heard it too.

Certain birds around here, that had been nemesis birds, were instantly ticked when I first heard them because I'd been studying their calls for so long. That is what happened with Black-billed Cuckoo, which I first ever heard five years ago. I'd dream about that call. When I finally heard it, I got an adrenaline rush. Never saw it. Then, this year, I finally saw one - the next best thing to a lifer - a visual lifer!
 
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