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opisska

Jan Ebr
Czech Republic
I used to have various "goals". Then I found out that I live in a world when I can be prohibited from reaching those goals from one day to another on a whim of a group of people who put fighting a virus above everything else and that I have absolutely no control of my own freedom. Then suddenly having any goals started to feel a bit pointless, since it's not in my power to determine whether I will reach those goals or not, so I just enjoy myself and the nature and await the inevitable end. The only upside is that now I have much more money to do so, so it's a pretty easy task.
 

Jos Stratford

Beast from the East
I used to have various "goals". Then I found out that I live in a world when I can be prohibited from reaching those goals from one day to another on a whim of a group of people who put fighting a virus above everything else and that I have absolutely no control of my own freedom.
Or alternatively, you found out that you live in a world where some folk think public health is more important than some person thinking they have the freedom to do whatever they want.
 

kb57

Well-known member
Europe
Japan is highly on my list as one of the few countries I want for both birding and culture outside of Europe, so that's good to hear because some of the prices for tours seem to rack up fast
I'd second @foresttwitcher 's comments. It is one of the easiest countries I've been to for travel, which is saying something when I can't speak a word of the language or read anything for that matter.
Discounted rail passes available for tourists, cheap ferry fares if you don't mind roughing it a bit with the sleeping arrangements; 'business hotels' in cities are cheap. and car hire certainly no dearer than Europe. Add on a safe environment for travel and people who genuinely try and help visitors. And cans of iced coffee in street vending machines.
 

jurek

Well-known member
Or alternatively, you found out that you live in a world where some folk think public health is more important than some person thinking they have the freedom to do whatever they want.

I never heard a medical expert, or even a politician, saying that bans on international travel in Europe or North America helped in anything. All virus variants spread anyway.

Governments worldwide made bans on international travel. But it was more politicians showing off how decisive they are, or panicking and doing random things, or using an excuse to satisfy their lust for power. In any case, not to be encouraged.
 

Jos Stratford

Beast from the East
I never heard a medical expert, or even a politician, saying that bans on international travel in Europe or North America helped in anything. All virus variants spread anyway.

Governments worldwide made bans on international travel. But it was more politicians showing off how decisive they are, or panicking and doing random things, or using an excuse to satisfy their lust for power. In any case, not to be encouraged.
Opisska has repeatedly complained not only about restrictions on international travel, but on just about any restrictions relating to Covid, be it requirements to wear masks or any other of the (mostly relatively minor) inconveniences that we need to comply with these days. Personally, and I accept others have differing opinions, I support these ...and given there is a whole bunch of persons that would do nothing to lessen risk of spread, I'm quite happy with the so-called 'whim of a group of politicians' to introduce these requirements.

As for reaching goals in today's world, it is still totally possible - abiding by the regulations in place, many parts of the globe are open and visitable. Plenty of good things still to see.
 

Andy Adcock

Well-known member
England
Opisska has repeatedly complained not only about restrictions on international travel, but on just about any restrictions relating to Covid, be it requirements to wear masks or any other of the (mostly relatively minor) inconveniences that we need to comply with these days. Personally, and I accept others have differing opinions, I support these ...and given there is a whole bunch of persons that would do nothing to lessen risk of spread, I'm quite happy with the so-called 'whim of a group of politicians' to introduce these requirements.

As for reaching goals in today's world, it is still totally possible - abiding by the regulations in place, many parts of the globe are open and visitable. Plenty of good things still to see.
I have had genuine concern for Jan for some time, based on the stuff he's posted across various threads.
 

opisska

Jan Ebr
Czech Republic
How much insecurity must there be in some people that there are constantly compelled to remind everyone how fine they are and how something is not a problem for them?

I have simply provided my view on the situation. It has been long known to humanity that desire is the root of suffering. I still enjoy keeping my lists and seeing things, but I now consider any kind of planning forward utterly foolish.
 

Dyrlege

Member
Norway
I never heard a medical expert, or even a politician, saying that bans on international travel in Europe or North America helped in anything. All virus variants spread anyway.

Governments worldwide made bans on international travel. But it was more politicians showing off how decisive they are, or panicking and doing random things, or using an excuse to satisfy their lust for power. In any case, not to be encouraged.
Well, you can read one here: bans om international and restrictions on national travel do not stop, but will slow and reduce the spread of a disease. That wins time for countermeasures.
Now you have at least read it from an expert (Even though I'm over 28 yrs old) and consultant on epidemic, zoonotic and pandemic diseases.
Cheers!
DVM, MPH and all that stuff...
 

jurek

Well-known member
Well, you can read one here: bans om international and restrictions on national travel do not stop, but will slow and reduce the spread of a disease. That wins time for countermeasures.

You waited several months before jumping out - now that NO additional countermeasures were taken in Europe after new variants appeared one after another.

Now you have at least read it from an expert

What expert?
 

Dyrlege

Member
Norway
You waited several months before jumping out - now that NO additional countermeasures were taken in Europe after new variants appeared one after another.



What expert?
Which perhaps explains why this is NOT the right arena for public health discussions. As I mentioned, I'm not 28 yes old, so I suppose Expert status eludes me. I just do my work where I am...
 

jurek

Well-known member
What eludes you is not your age, but your objectively wrong opinions.

That you are roughly right that Covid should be responded to does not make every response right. Does not help either, that you did not state your true name nor academic credentials, but, curiously, only your age. And of course, appeal to authority 'I am an expert so I am right' is a logical fallacy.

BTW, I was even younger than 27 when I joined this forum.
 

Dyrlege

Member
Norway
What eludes you is not your age, but your objectively wrong opinions.

That you are roughly right that Covid should be responded to does not make every response right. Does not help either, that you did not state your true name nor academic credentials, but, curiously, only your age. And of course, appeal to authority 'I am an expert so I am right' is a logical fallacy.

BTW, I was even younger than 27 when I joined this forum.
Good for you. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions, and to express them. My comment was to the "...never heard a medical Expert say..." and to make up for that omission. And of course what I state are my opinions, based on studies and work and observations since graduation in 1982 as a DVM and later an MPH (which are academic credentials and were included ). That I withold my name is because it is irrelevant here for obvious reasons. Now you have at least read a statement about the effects of quarantine and travel restrictions, I have not asked or demanded that you accept it. But I did have to make sure it was available for you to read. Mission accomplished. It will probably not change your mind...
 
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