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Message: <blockquote data-quote="James Lowther" data-source="post: 1394061" data-attributes="member: 9107">i think wildfowl (and galliformes) almost always go near the front in newer field guides, Pizzey and Knight birds of Australia, birds of SE Asia (my copy anyway), birds of Peru etc. etc.all the major taxonomies -Clements, Howard and Moore, sibley and Monroe, AERC TAC, BOU, AOU, IOC etc. etc.are organised like this nowadays so it's only reasonable i guess -why perpetuate a system which everyone agrees is wrong (awaits abuse from Jos and Farnboro John <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />)you're a bit screwed if they use sibley and monroe order though!! with birds of SE Asia you pretty much go to the end of the non-passerines for the families that used to be at the start and vice versa</blockquote>