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Message: <blockquote data-quote="James Lowther" data-source="post: 1394337" data-attributes="member: 9107">i have to say i disagree there John (politely though - this isn't the RBI forum <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />)the trouble with your approach is that is pickles the current (universally recognised as wrong) situation in aspicas i said all taxonomies and most international field guides have abandoned the old species order to a lesser or greater degree - why not europe as well?sure it might have a few old timers spluttering into their cornflakesbut then i imagine a few victorians spluttered into their pan-fried kidneys when their updated fieldguide described swallows as wintering in southern africa rather than at the bottom of a reedbedand i know what you're gonna say - a field guide isn't there to be in the vanguard of taxonomic change,  and i agree, it isn'tbut in my opinion it shouldn't be lagging decades behind either!and most of the field guide authors/publishers agree with me, so it's a bit of a moot point anyway<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>